Marine Dad Ordered to Pay Legal Fees

**Veovis** · 03-31-10, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Blakeman

I don't think it is right to stop anyone from protesting on public property

What, precisely, were the asshats "protesting?" The OP mentions they had signs with anti-gay message. What did they want, the soldier to come back from the dead and "turn straight?"

This wasn't a protest, it was an insult. Gratuitously insulting/provoking people in public is not legal, as far as I know. And that's all this was, a thinly veiled insult.

And let's forget all the goddamn legal arguments and agree on one thing: it's not right. Right and wrong outweigh legal and illegal in my book, any day of the week.

**Blakeman** · 03-31-10, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by Blakeman

I don't think it is right to stop anyone from protesting on public property

What, precisely, were the asshats "protesting?" The OP mentions they had signs with anti-gay message. What did they want, the soldier to come back from the dead and "turn straight?"

This wasn't a protest, it was an insult. Gratuitously insulting/provoking people in public is not legal, as far as I know. And that's all this was, a thinly veiled insult.

And let's forget all the goddamn legal arguments and agree on one thing: it's not right. Right and wrong outweigh legal and illegal in my book, any day of the week.

They think the that because the US tolerates homosexuality that God is killing off military folks in Iraq or something to that effect.

I don't care if they think that Duggus, the lord of Turd worms is coming through their feet and we should all listen, it is their right to wave signs warning the end of our feet is nigh. To stop anyone from speaking, protesting or demonstrating is wrong. The US law should not pick what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' as far as speech or it opens up doors to bypass the constitution and have all sorts of things not allowed.

Nobody likes these folks, but the more we ignore them, let them do their thing and not affect us, the more support they will lose and the quicker they will go away. To confront them or take up violence and lawsuits against them only emboldens them. This lawsuit made the front page because the dad sued and lost, now they will do it even more....

**kilo33** · 03-31-10, 11:53 PM

I agree with you whole heartedly on their right to wave signs, pass out literature etc. The problem is that some portions of the country have been 'trained' to accept that 'freedom of speech' applies to shouting vulgarity, threatening, harrassing, and intimidation - not to mention the defamation of venerated objects, ceremonies, and practices. I will respect anyones right to protest - and protect it as well. As long as said protest does not a) hinder commerce or government function. b) constitute a criminal offense - such as class C assault and breach of the peace.

**Red_Lizard2** · 04-01-10, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Blakeman

I also don't agree with being fined for not having permits etc as it is only a means for cities to make money, not really necessary.

I don't think they should be fined for not having one, but maybe broken up. The permit should be used though, in my opinion, only to know what is going on some police presence can be there to make sure things don't get out of hand (either by the protesters or people passing by).

**Too Much Damage** · 04-01-10, 12:56 AM

Some things are just sacred. These people are just ass holes and idiots.

The correlation of homosexuality and wars is absurd. The thought that God premits wars to continue because homosexuality exist is insulting. If they were close to the God they say they worship they would know he is a loving God and he will pass judgement on all mankind in his own time and its not their place to be disrupting a most sacred and mournful ceremony.
If they want to do the work of God they need to help people, spread the word of their faith as directed in their holy book, or shut up, study their holy books, and draw closer to God.

**kilo33** · 04-01-10, 01:08 AM

um, Too Much Damage...
is that the Preacher on your Avatar

**Too Much Damage** · 04-01-10, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by kilo33

um, Too Much Damage...
is that the Preacher on your Avatar

Why yes it is. Just because I enjoyed a story that was nothing but blasphemous doesn't mean that I can't be a passionate religious man.

**Blakeman** · 04-01-10, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by kilo33

I agree with you wholeheartedly on their right to wave signs, pass out literature etc. The problem is that some portions of the country have been 'trained' to accept that 'freedom of speech' applies to shouting vulgarity, threatening, harassing, and intimidation - not to mention the defamation of venerated objects, ceremonies, and practices. I will respect anyone's right to protest - and protect it as well. As long as said protest does not a) hinder commerce or government function. b) constitute a criminal offense - such as class C assault and breach of the peace.

I don't believe I have ever heard them say anything more vulgar than the three letter F word in relation to homosexuality.

I believe they are bat-shit crazy too, but I feel that if we ignore them they will crawl back in their little holes.

As far as the permit, I think it should not have to cost money for anyone to speak their minds in a public place. I don't mind them having to tell someone at the local government level they will be doing it, but charging to speak on public property should never happen.

**deathgodusmc** · 04-01-10, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Blakeman

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

if i remember correctly, WBC (i think that was the group i found this out about) makes most of its money off lawsuits. Meaning "attacking them" would do nothing but make them money, so they could do this more, and put you in jail.

It also gives them more publicity, which is what they crave for their agenda.

I don't think it is right to stop anyone from protesting on public property, after all it is there for public use. I also don't agree with being fined for not having permits etc as it is only a means for cities to make money, not really necessary.

Actualy most places have ordnances preventing sidewalks from being blocked. The maze i built for holloween 2 years ago was on the side nwalk in front of my house by 4 inchs. I had to move the whole thing because of the ordnance.

The loop hole in free speach legally is the fact that the vulgarity part is up to the individual that has to hear it. So standing outside of a funeral calling a fallen soldier a fag could be construed as vulgar and definitly offensive with only one goal attempting to breach peace.

**BlueMaxox** · 04-01-10, 09:19 AM

I think the life style that a gay person chooses goes against everything I have ever been taught. I think it is disgusting and something detestable.

That being said, in the end, there is a higher power that is the judge and I will let that power set things right if I am wrong in my feelings.

I do not feel that a persons sexual choices should keep him off the battlefield. He should have the right to die right along side a straight person. In fact if I had a son in harms way i would lobby for his right to take my sons place at the front.

This issue is silly. If they can be taught to kill.....then they should be in the service like everyone else.