Hmm - pot meeting kettle - Mexican Immigation Laws

**deathgodusmc** · 05-30-10, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Uh no that is not what the point is.

Point is that the number of illegals down south is way more than up north.

This thread is dead.

Yawn.

Peace out!

You wouldnt know that any more then anyone else would. Would you like to know why? Its actually very simple. Those stats you like to post do not include illegals because most if any do not fill out the census.

**Kraker Jak** · 05-30-10, 11:17 PM

I already made that argument to him. No one ever even said the border states had less of a problem. Lol, I said its everywhere. IT doesnt matter who has more, the problem is wide spread.

He is just a POS troller guys, sorry.

But anyways, i think the Federal gov.'s lack of doing anything has sparked AZ and Mass to do soemthing about it on thier own. Mark my words, many other states are going to follow suit...as well they should

**jason_jinx** · 05-30-10, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You wouldnt know that any more then anyone else would. Would you like to know why? Its actually very simple. Those stats you like to post do not include illegals because most if any do not fill out the census.

actually I know all about the census.

They go to every house vacant or not and they will get there information one way or another.

@kraker
Oh so I guess since you say other states will follow suit you just know everything. Are you going to state the sun is going to come up tomorrow as well? You going to take credit for that?
I dont see other states following AZ like wild fire.
but that is my opinion.

I can see how its logical to just patch the problem rather fix the root cause.
please......

**deathgodusmc** · 05-31-10, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

actually I know all about the census.

They go to every house vacant or not and they will get there information one way or another.

@kraker
Oh so I guess since you say other states will follow suit you just know everything. Are you going to state the sun is going to come up tomorrow as well? You going to take credit for that?
I dont see other states following AZ like wild fire.
but that is my opinion.

I can see how its logical to just patch the problem rather fix the root cause.
please......

Im glad you think the census is 100% but its far from it. I guess you dont pay attention very well either or you would know 13 other states are considering their own immigration law as well. I am still waiting for your enlightenment on how to solve the problem. Seeing as you think you know every little detail lets hear it and while your at it please by all means let all of us in on your complete knowledge of how the census works. Please leave out what has been preached on the radio of which i assume is going to cut your knowledge to at least half. So far your posts have been nothing more than worthless ass trolling. If you have input please share if all you have is the flaming part by all means leave that out we already know by every post you make your capable of that. So now we are looking for an intelligent conversation from you.

**jason_jinx** · 05-31-10, 12:30 AM

Stop giving the illegals work.

Its as simple as that.

That is the root cause and I think everyone can agree with that. They come over here for a better life. A better life because they can work and send their money home or spend it here.

If they dont have jobs here in the U.S. why would they come over?

**jason_jinx** · 05-31-10, 12:32 AM

Its like you want to fix the problem once they are on our soil.

How about we prevent them from coming over in the first place. You think some silly law in AZ is going to stop them?

You talk about me trolling and posting useless crap look at yourself. Wasteful spender.

**Gumby** · 05-31-10, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Hes got half of the answer. Yes go after the companies but you have to chase the other end of the problem as well.

I disagree. Going after the individuals is a complete waste of time and manpower. If, however, a cop comes upon a situation where he has probable cause to ask for someone's paperwork showing they are in the country legally, then that is fine to me. That is why the AZ law is reasonable. I am from Texas, but I live in a foreign country. Here I am an foreign national. I carry my military ID with me at all times because the German Police can ask me for it any time they like to prove that I am here legally. I have a special stamp on my passport that lets the German authorities know that I am here with the US military. There is absolutely nothing wrong with expecting foreign nationals to carry appropriate paperwork. I think where people are upset about the AZ law is that everyone seems to think the police in AZ will be asking everyone with a Spanish accent to provide paperwork stating they are here legally when they see them on the street. I am no cop, but it seems like I would rather enjoy my doughnut quietly than harass everyone I see that looks to be of Latino decent. On the other hand, if I see a restaurant full of bus-boys that can't speak a word of English and are paid in cash out of the register, I would see that as probable cause to investigate further.

**GReYVee** · 05-31-10, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Its like you want to fix the problem once they are on our soil.
How about we prevent them from coming over in the first place. You think some silly law in AZ is going to stop them?
You talk about me trolling and posting useless crap look at yourself. Wasteful spender.

Oh yeah that's the solution. Electric fences? Barbed wire. SAW gunners every 65 meters? Yeah that will be effective use of our money.

Cause that is what it would take to stop them.

Law enforcement surely has some free time to pull over random people to check for registration and ID. I have absolutely no problem with this as long as every individual is given due chance to prove it. We have 12Mill + illegal immigrants from Mexico alone. I would like all that extra tax I pay to go to someone who has taken the time to be naturalized. TYVM. I do not pay into this system as a sole dependent -- just to watch some family pay little to nothing into this system and live at my expense.

You know what brings this shit about don't you? Fucking healthcare reform and greedy fucking companies. Do you NOT realize the reason behind us being one of the only developed countries in the world without public health insurance? We are the land of the free -- free to exploit. You can counter this however you want, but someone pays into their wages to live here, someone pays for many things we all take for granted.. It costs ME, and YOU. and it is time people start stopping it. I do not work for the benefit of the world, until it does the same for me.

This should have been implemented 85 years ago.

You CANNOT stop people from getting cheap work. Americans are greedy as fucking ever. Hence the largest gap in wealth in the world. We live on slave trade. I would rather take the cut in pay and earn a real keep than pay it to an essential government black-hole that only feeds into the machine.

Sorry I am worked up atm.

**jason_jinx** · 05-31-10, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by GReYVee

Oh yeah that's the solution. Electric fences? Barbed wire. SAW gunners every 65 meters? Yeah that will be effective use of our money.

Cause that is what it would take to stop them.

Law enforcement surely has some free time to pull over random people to check for registration and ID. I have absolutely no problem with this as long as every individual is given due chance to prove it. We have 12Mill + illegal immigrants from Mexico alone. I would like all that extra tax I pay to go to someone who has taken the time to be naturalized. TYVM. I do not pay into this system as a sole dependent -- just to watch some family pay little to nothing into this system and live at my expense.

You know what brings this shit about don't you? Fucking healthcare reform and greedy fucking companies. Do you NOT realize the reason behind us being one of the only developed countries in the world without public health insurance? We are the land of the free -- free to exploit. You can counter this however you want, but someone pays into their wages to live here, someone pays for many things we all take for granted.. It costs ME, and YOU. and it is time people start stopping it. I do not work for the benefit of the world, until it does the same for me.

This should have been implemented 85 years ago.

You CANNOT stop people from getting cheap work. Americans are greedy as fucking ever. Hence the largest gap in wealth in the world. We live on slave trade. I would rather take the cut in pay and earn a real keep than pay it to an essential government black-hole that only feeds into the machine.

Sorry I am worked up atm.

When did I say anything about fences and machine guns?

I said to stop them coming over in the first place is for them not to have a job when they come over.

At least you realize why nobody wants to talk about this because it involves small business. They want cheap labor and will pay illegals for work even though they themselves talk shit about illegals being here in the first place!

That is the true meaning of pot meeting kettle.

If that is the case then some of you need to shut the hell up with going after the problem once its at the end stage. Deal with the problem before it ever begins.

**SpecOpsScott** · 05-31-10, 08:51 AM

The debate goes on everywhere Jason, even WAAAAY up north here in Sartoga. We have a world reknown horse racing track, and anyone whos lived here for half a second can tell you the population of illegals increases with each anual racing season (Not just hispanic, but a multinational mix). Because its seasonal, we can handle it without so much as batting an eyelash. But there have been some issues with it, even in our small rural town: http://saratogaindecline.blogspot.co...a-springs.html
And that crime was committed in the off season when our local illegal population is at its lowest.

Hell, i even used to do maintenance for a guy that was arrested for smuggling illegals into the country, and using them as labor in his restaurants to pay off their debts for getting into the country.... and im 2000 miles from the southern border.... but only 200 from the nothern. These illegals didnt come accross either to get here.