Thread: FBI Probe of Border Patrol After Shooting of Mexican Boy

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You always shot at your target. No surprise that he did. Shoting away from your target can get someone that actually is innocent killed. When cops show up at a riot they show up with riot gear and non lethal rounds. You have no what could have happened if one of those rocks would have put him on the ground. Maybe the plan was to cross the border by whatever means nessecary. He had no riot gear and no form of non lethal protection he could use at that range. So he did exactly what he should have done. Ergo he made the right decision and a punk ass kid is dead. Just maybe by putting him down he saved the life of some other innocent person. If hes willing to stone a cop he willing to do worse to someone that is unarmed.

For the most part, I agree. Police show up to riots knowing full well what to expect and have the proper equipment to handle it. This agent did not so he used what he had as he was trained to do.

The video they have is crap and I thought that when I saw it on the news last night. You also don't get the full details of the events that lead to the shooting and you can't hear anything. The kid had prior incidents on his record so it'd be a good guess to say the officer did the right thing and is telling the truth.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Yeah someone can be killed by pennies,..... if they are thrown from skyscraper. Which only proves that you use the most extreme and absurd examples to support your detached from reality views. Especially while trying to justify someone shooting a kid for throwing stones from quite a distance.... Doesn't seem like cause enough to use deadly force to me.

They are actually non-lethal if you watched Mythbusters. No doubt it'll cause some harm but it would not be lethal. That is not to say though that pennies can't be lethal as anything can be if you are creative enough.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

What I want to know is how the hell he threw a rock that far in the first place.

When it comes to protests around the world rocks are a very common tool. I cant remember seeing a protest where the men in blue mowed down the crowd because of some rocks.

You don't read much news do you. I mean, I can see that based on the fact that you linked to a Fox News article. But here are several articles about violent endings to protests from all corners of the globe. You live a sheltered life in that here in America, there are rules of engagement. In other parts of the world, the value of a life is less than what you might think.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-..._b_608686.html

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...protests-rs-01

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-unlawful.html

http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?op...529&Itemid=189

There are active protests going on in parts of Southeast Asia everyday and there people are killed in the streets by the drove, but no one seems to care.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Lets make it real cut and dry so no questions are asked.........lame

There is more to it than just the size of the rock.

How big/strong was the person throwing it?
Distance?
Size of rock?
was is windy? lol

The real question is, if you were the border patrol agent and these illegals (I generally refer to them as that, because can you honestly determine if it is an adult or a child from that view distance) are throwing rocks at you, would you fire on them with your firearm? I doubt many of you are ever in a confrontation that is elevated to that level on a daily basis. With the exception of our members who are law enforcement or actively serving in the military, navy, airforce, etc. I would strongly argue that many of you would not even know what it's like to be in that situation. It's easy to talk big like this when the biggest threat you face daily is more along the lines of vying for a parking spot at work.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Yeah, it was a lucky shot, but he was still shooting AT the people, and whenever you shoot AT people, death is a very good possibility. Protesters throw rocks at cops all the time during protests and riots all the time, but you don't see those cops opening fire on them. If you are going to keep lowering the bar on what constitutes the need for deadly force, I asked if insults were next. I wasn't comparing them. This looks like a classic case of excessive force.



Er, I don't think I have ever said anything about "securing the border." And you know what? People can make the wrong decisions, too. The kid make the wrong decision to throw rocks, and the agent made the wrong decision to shoot him. Why try and pretend that some people are perfect and others aren't? There is no need to defend the indefensible.

Go read my post about protesters getting killed all over the world. You people make boggle my mind, because living here in America affords you more rights and privileges than a large majority of the rest of the world has. Here in America, we should be so lucky to consider that there are all these rules that protect us from deadly force when we protest. Where else in the world will you see non-lethal force being used like pepper spray, rubber bullets, tear gas, etc.? In other countries, they use bullets to stop protesters!

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Of course they wouldnt. They just exspect him to stand there and get pelted with rocks.

Exactly! The majority of Americans that are calling foul against that Border Agent are Primadonnas that do so from their high chair. They scream and cry about the numbers of illegal immigrants coming into our country, but when someone does their job, they scream and cry again. These are the very same people that have never stared down someone who is willing to do whatever is necessary to get what they want when you are standing in their way, and that includes killing you.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

100% of the time?

Every situation is different and this one could have done without the killing.

How long have you been a member of these forums?

You will see over time that a topic comes up, the left and right have their say, nobody blinks, then the topic just goes in circles with crap.
We hit that point on page three.

cardio blasting time!

later noobs

What does my time here as a forum member have to do with anything? Are you simply bringing that up in an attempt to discredit what I have to say?

Why are you so extreme with everything you post? Do you not know the other colors of the rainbow? Does everything have to be purely black and white with you? 100% of the time? Who mentions that, you sure made it sound like 100% of the time protesters are protesting and police do not engage in deadly force. I afforded you at least 4 different sources for protests from 4 different countries where deadly force was used and people died.

You are simply trolling with this thread. The entire thread is for naught but to troll for reactions. I guess it is your opinion that the killing in this instance was unnecessary, but since you are not the border patrol agent in question, nor his supervisor or superiors, your opinion doesn't really count. And since I am not him or his superiors either, I guess my opinion is just as valid as yours. In the end, it's in the hands of the people doing their jobs. I guess if we don't like it, we can always elect different politicians to run our government differently. But I for one, am hoping that this sends a clear message to those who try to enter our country illegally. They do a disservice to the 100's of 1000's of people who are trying to come here the legal way.