FBI Probe of Border Patrol After Shooting of Mexican Boy

**deathgodusmc** · 06-11-10, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

100% of the time?

Every situation is different and this one could have done without the killing.

How long have you been a member of these forums?

You will see over time that a topic comes up, the left and right have their say, nobody blinks, then the topic just goes in circles with crap.
We hit that point on page three.

cardio blasting time!

later noobs

Your the one talking in circles in the thread. LOL Yes it was done pages ago but you continued with your it bs crap. How could this one have been done without killing? Lets see the target is to far for pepper spray, stun gun, baton, physically grabbing, and a taser. Which leaves which option to protect himself and his detainee. You got the only weapon he has left his side arm.

So does he take aim or just randomly fire shots. Im just taking a stab in the fucking dark here but the video looks like a camera phone. Seeing we can hear multiple people on it im just guessing but there may be innocent people around. So i guess the only safe call is to actually take aim at the dumbass that is the problem. Cause lord forbid he would of hit an actually innocent person then all hell would have broke loose.

**DaKillerFox** · 06-11-10, 11:53 AM

You know what? I don't care what Jason has to say. If I was a border patrol agent, I would not carry a fucking pepper spray, stun gun or baton. I would carry a fucking gun with bullets. You know why? Because there are drug traffickers that try and smuggle drugs across the border and I do not want to be on the short end of the stick in that situation. I am an American and that day, a kid that was doing something he should not have done was killed. But you know what, that border patrol agent gets to come home to his wife and kids. He gets to live another day. He gets to watch tv again. He gets to play with his kids again. He gets to sleep with his wife again. Case closed. I don't give a rats...

**Kraker Jak** · 06-11-10, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Guyver

OH SHIT!

Are you new here? How many derogatory posts have you made at TTP/TPG? What did you say about Obama? Mexico? Please stop being a hypocrite.

Do you even know what yeppa means...I believe it's like "Yeeehaw"

Jeeez, dude...crack open a book..or your internet browser.

Guyver, I think that was the joke

You missed it...

**Kraker Jak** · 06-11-10, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by DaKillerFox

What does my time here as a forum member have to do with anything? Are you simply bringing that up in an attempt to discredit what I have to say?

Why are you so extreme with everything you post? Do you not know the other colors of the rainbow? Does everything have to be purely black and white with you? 100% of the time? Who mentions that, you sure made it sound like 100% of the time protesters are protesting and police do not engage in deadly force. I afforded you at least 4 different sources for protests from 4 different countries where deadly force was used and people died.

You are simply trolling with this thread. The entire thread is for naught but to troll for reactions. I guess it is your opinion that the killing in this instance was unnecessary, but since you are not the border patrol agent in question, nor his supervisor or superiors, your opinion doesn't really count. And since I am not him or his superiors either, I guess my opinion is just as valid as yours. In the end, it's in the hands of the people doing their jobs. I guess if we don't like it, we can always elect different politicians to run our government differently. But I for one, am hoping that this sends a clear message to those who try to enter our country illegally. They do a disservice to the 100's of 1000's of people who are trying to come here the legal way.

THATS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!

Every post you made was well thought out fox, I applaud you. I would find it hard for anyone to argue the points you have made. Kudos my friend...

**digital** · 06-11-10, 01:27 PM

Evolution of Weapons

Sticks > Rocks > Arrows > Boulders > Swords > Guns > Missles > Nukes

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**digital** · 06-11-10, 01:28 PM

In this case Gun beats Rock. Maybe someone never showed this kid the game of rocks , paper , scissors. His bad.

**Fovezer** · 06-11-10, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You always shot at your target. No surprise that he did. Shoting away from your target can get someone that actually is innocent killed. When cops show up at a riot they show up with riot gear and non lethal rounds. You have no what could have happened if one of those rocks would have put him on the ground. Maybe the plan was to cross the border by whatever means nessecary. He had no riot gear and no form of non lethal protection he could use at that range. So he did exactly what he should have done. Ergo he made the right decision and a punk ass kid is dead. Just maybe by putting him down he saved the life of some other innocent person. If hes willing to stone a cop he willing to do worse to someone that is unarmed.

Well, I know he was shooting at the kid. I meant it was a lucky shot that he hit him in the head. It would definitely have been more irresponsible for him to shoot anywhere else. And sure, riot police have more protection, but they are also facing a lot more people and a lot more rocks. They still don't shoot live rounds. And this agent was facing one kid who was on the other side of the riverbed throwing rocks. He was stupid, yes, but it's not like he was throwing boulders or trying to bash the agents head in with a rock. He was grabbing them off the ground and throwing them.

Go read my post about protesters getting killed all over the world. You people make boggle my mind, because living here in America affords you more rights and privileges than a large majority of the rest of the world has. Here in America, we should be so lucky to consider that there are all these rules that protect us from deadly force when we protest. Where else in the world will you see non-lethal force being used like pepper spray, rubber bullets, tear gas, etc.? In other countries, they use bullets to stop protesters!

Hey, we are not talking about protests all over the world, we are talking about in the U.S. We should hold Americans to American standards, not to Iranian standards. How other countries react to protests is irrelevant to this thread. If force was necessary, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I feel this is pretty clearly excessive force.

**jason_jinx** · 06-11-10, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by digital

Evolution of Weapons

Sticks > Rocks > Arrows > Boulders > Swords > Guns > Missles > Nukes

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Thunderbluss!

**jason_jinx** · 06-11-10, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

THATS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!

Every post you made was well thought out fox, I applaud you. I would find it hard for anyone to argue the points you have made. Kudos my friend...

and that is how your ride someone's nuts!

GJ kraker!

**Kraker Jak** · 06-11-10, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Hey, we are not talking about protests all over the world, we are talking about in the U.S. We should hold Americans to American standards, not to Iranian standards. How other countries react to protests is irrelevant to this thread. If force was necessary, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I feel this is pretty clearly excessive force.

Ask yourself this fovezer. What is your american standard? Why do you think it is excessive force? I can tell you, from a law enforcement perspective, this was NOT excessive force. I have preached to you guys numerous times about the Force Continumm model. This is what is taught in ALL local, state, and federal police academies. Police offers do not "react" to a situation. They are trained to be always in control.

Hub and Aggie need to chime in on this, them two, as myself, are all graduates with degrees in criminal law. Police officers "1 up" every situation...If you back away, a police officer will grab you, if you run, you will get tazed, if you throw rocks, you will be shot. This is how it is, this is how it ALWAYS will be. This is how officers stay in control of potentionally violent situations. Excessive force would be if the officer CONTINUED to use force AFTER the threat was neutralized...