Thread: Democratic Strategist, James Carville's firm's poll reports that.....

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I agree, you can not debate if you voted 10....Nor can you debate if you voted 1...each are the extremes...

And you believe that the road we are on, that we will stay a capitalistic country? You believe the free market will always dominate here?


Have you been to china? I have seen first hand on where we are headed (policy wise that is) and it will not be good

I've lived there for a year, and had Chinese roommates, so yes, I've been there. You can debate no matter which # you chose, an extreme is just a degree of which you believe in something. An extreme leftist can still have a point, doesn't matter if I agree or not.

Originally Posted by Rawr

You do realize this is a debate, right? If you voted 10, I would say that you are WAAAAAAAAY out of touch. To me Obama's actions are not anywhere close to what socialism is (or what I believe socialism to be). I don't much like him, or what he does, but he is not a socialist. A few more socialized programs, does not a socialist country make. Hell, even China is the closest thing to a socialist country and it's basically an extremely regulated capitalist nation, with a few extra socialist ideals. Until I start making the same amount of money regardless of what I do (ie, Janitor vs CEO), the country owns all industry, and controls all capital, I'd still call this a capitalist nation.

See but your talking what you want the poll to say instead of what is says. It does not say has Obamas actions leaned to or from socialism. It says rate Obamas socialistness. In my opinion hes driving us there but this is one big fucking train. So it takes a long time to get up to speed and even longer to stop the motion.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Small businesses by country: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...-at-all/23219/

Just thought I'd ask Wicked - hows that working out for the top 4 in your chart? Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain? Might be more interesting to see the ranking of net assets of small businesses by country as opposed to simply numbers of small businesses. Probably more pertinent as well

Originally Posted by jmw_man

You are right, every voting option will be just an opinion. The difference I see between 10 and the rest is fairly significant in that 10 is a hard number (100%)not up for debate. The thing that enrages me is that so far 10% of the voters chose that option. This enrages me because that means we need to reform education to try to make up for that 10%. The problem however is that we need to start from the top down. <-- this is a problem as well because many from the top need to go back to school as well....

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Lack of education is the root of all problems.

Not to poke fun at you jwm - but you needed to see the shake-down of the poll results to decide that education in this country was a problem? I thought the grammar here alone would suffice in that regard (relax people - I know those of you with the worst grammar don't care - just teasing yall)

Originally Posted by Alundil

Not to poke fun at you jwm - but you needed to see the shake-down of the poll results to decide that education in this country was a problem? I thought the grammar here alone would suffice in that regard (relax people - I know those of you with the worst grammar don't care - just teasing yall)

Ju gots sumtin ju wan 2 saa

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Ju gots sumtin ju wan 2 saa

See what I mean jmw? It's not hard to identify

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

No shit fov...

If we buy a car together, and you use it 80 percent of the time, and I use it 20 percent of the time, is it fair that I pay more on it than you do? Because that is what is happeing.

No, genius, if you OWN the car 80% of the time, just like the wealthiest OWN most of the wealth, you deserve to pay more.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

The rich dont sit on thier ass on welfare...the rich normally do not send thier kids to private schools, the wealthy have thier own health care...

So why is it fair that they have to pay MORE for the services they do not use?

Yes, because all the poor do is sit on welfare and do nothing. Right... And you belief that since the wealthy may not use or need services means they shouldn't have to pay taxes will lead to the collapse of the United States. Is that your goal? Hell, I don't use the military and I oppose the wars, does that mean I can opt out of paying taxes for those? An educated and healthy populace is good for everyone involved, including the wealthy.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

What is your definition of socialism oh ruler of the forums? because if I do not provide a source, you say I'm making shit up...I do provide a source, you say its not good enough....You want to talk about opinions? Thats all you got.

I'm still waiting for you to show me something Obama has advocated that is explicitly socialist. Misrepresenting his health care reform does not count. You have failed to do so, and this is the third or fourth request.

Originally Posted by Bane

Umm, my father came to this country and lived through poverty. He started at a cleaners, found that he showed skill at fixing cars and started his own small business. According to the tax bracket, he is now in the upper middle class.

Explain to me how this is not the American Dream? From rags to riches?
Did his family accept handouts? No, he worked hard to get where he is and I think this embodies the American Dream.

However, as someone who is now in the middle class, he is feeling the brunt of our economic reforms.

There are obviously exceptions, however just because your father was able to crawl out of poverty doesn't mean everyone is. And those who fail don't do so because they don't work hard enough, it's just that the system is set against them. The ability to climb the social ladder based on income is greater in the Nordic countries and Canada, not the US.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

We aint talking about that, we are simply talking about all these obama fanboys that think he is god, when really, he is just as bad as bush was (yes, bush was an idiot, as are most republicans now-a-days, along with democrats)

So now we are "fanboys" because we don't buy into your delusions? And because we refute them? Please...

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

IF obama is NOT anywhere close to being a socialist, what is he?

A capitalist. One who supports a smidgen more regulation and takes a Keynesian approach to recovering from a recession, but a capitalist nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Alundil

Not to poke fun at you jwm - but you needed to see the shake-down of the poll results to decide that education in this country was a problem? I thought the grammar here alone would suffice in that regard (relax people - I know those of you with the worst grammar don't care - just teasing yall)

haha, nah, that's why I said, "I've said it before, I'll say it again....." Just trying to remind people. It just saddens me to know that most people think they are an expert and they come here to argue their view as if it was fact with no intention whatsoever to be swayed from their view. In other words, their minds are set and they have no desire to learn anymore. I'll tell you right now, you should never stop learning because you will never learn everything. In my opinion, the majority of the world stops learning too early and it doesn't happen on its own, they make that choice.