Thread: Kill the Ground Zero Mosque TV Ad

I'm sure the protesters are free to pool funds, solicit donations and what not to out bid the Cordoba House, and buy the property for themselves.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

My bad on the distance.
But I still fail to see how this is a "slap in the face"... Unless it is equated that Muslim/Islam=terrorist, which isn't the case at all.

And as was mentioned by Rawr, as well as others the last time we spoke of this subject, the Cordoba House went to the local Community Board and received overwhelming approval...

Considering the fact that the people trying to build this place aren't extremists and are red blooded Americans, how is this a slap in the face? Americans aren't the only ones targeted and killed by extremist Muslims. Moderate Muslims, I would say, have suffered far more casualties than Americans at the hands of extremists.

I dont ever remember seeing anyone say muslim/islam=terrorism ever on these forums. So i dont feel a need to even discuss it.

Well you could look at it from different view points on how its a slap in the face.

1 it's a 13 story building with the mosque at on the top floor over looking ground zero.
2 we didn't throw up a catholic church in at any location in their home countries where one of our bombs hit
3 islam is known for building mosques on conquered land which is why its bad placement

You dont know any more then i do if the people trying to build it are extremists. We can only speculate that they aren't. You are right americans are not the only one effected by extremists. As a matter of fact those that died in those building were every race, creed, religion, and not all were americans. Which is just another reason why respect should be given. No one is asking them not to build a mosque. They are simply being asked to change location of the mosque out of respect.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

I'm sure the protesters are free to pool funds, solicit donations and what not to out bid the Cordoba House, and buy the property for themselves.

There is no bid to be made. They actively searched out a location at ground zero and bought it.

Or did they see an empty building not being used coupled with the need to expand their center and offered to buy it?

So why can't the protesters and their sympathizers offer more money to the seller than the Cordoba House?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I dont ever remember seeing anyone say muslim/islam=terrorism ever on these forums. So i dont feel a need to even discuss it.

Well you could look at it from different view points on how its a slap in the face.

1 it's a 13 story building with the mosque at on the top floor over looking ground zero.
2 we didn't throw up a catholic church in at any location in their home countries where one of our bombs hit
3 islam is known for building mosques on conquered land which is why its bad placement

You dont know any more then i do if the people trying to build it are extremists. We can only speculate that they aren't. You are right americans are not the only one effected by extremists. As a matter of fact those that died in those building were every race, creed, religion, and not all were americans. Which is just another reason why respect should be given. No one is asking them not to build a mosque. They are simply being asked to change location of the mosque out of respect.

I don't see how they aren't being respectful. There is a growing Muslim community in the area, and they have a need for the Mosque. NYC isn't conquered land, and neither is ground zero. Also why is it so terrible that they can see ground zero from the mosque?

Yes 9/11 was terrible, but this happened 9 years ago, I think it's time we calm down a bit.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Or did they see an empty building not being used coupled with the need to expand their center and offered to buy it?

So why can't the protesters and their sympathizers offer more money to the seller than the Cordoba House?

No they admitted to looking for a building in the area to use. They cant offer more money because the building is not for sale. Unless those building the mosque are willing to sell it.

Originally Posted by Rawr

I don't see how they aren't being respectful. There is a growing Muslim community in the area, and they have a need for the Mosque. NYC isn't conquered land, and neither is ground zero. Also why is it so terrible that they can see ground zero from the mosque?

Yes 9/11 was terrible, but this happened 9 years ago, I think it's time we calm down a bit.

We know it isnt conquered land but that is not how those extremists look at it. Yes it happened 9 years ago. When was pearl harbor? Why do we feel a need to keep the memorial there going? When did we drop the atom bomb on hiroshima? Why dod they feel a need to keep a memorial going?

We memroialize tragic events and that exactly what 9-11 was. It isn't just us that do that. Every country and religion does that specifically so we dont forget. As for overlooking ground zero its strictly a view point. I personally do not think the view is a terrible thing but some do. Some would argue it servers as fuel for the fire if radials were to be using this particular mosque.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

We know it isnt conquered land but that is not how those extremists look at it. Yes it happened 9 years ago. When was pearl harbor? Why do we feel a need to keep the memorial there going? When did we drop the atom bomb on hiroshima? Why dod they feel a need to keep a memorial going?

We memroialize tragic events and that exactly what 9-11 was. It isn't just us that do that. Every country and religion does that specifically so we dont forget. As for overlooking ground zero its strictly a view point. I personally do not think the view is a terrible thing but some do. Some would argue it servers as fuel for the fire if radials were to be using this particular mosque.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not saying don't have a memorial, because that's exactly what they are building where the towers were. I'm saying that the entire district surrounding ground zero does NOT need to be a memorial.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I dont ever remember seeing anyone say muslim/islam=terrorism ever on these forums. So i dont feel a need to even discuss it.

Watch the video. The "they" that they are referring to is Muslims in general. Oh, and when one of the posters in this thread compares muslims building a mosque to Nazis, cults and *chuckle* Black Panthers,........ then he is essentially equating the religious practice of Islam with the practice of terrorism.

Besides that, that is the logical argument drawn from the "it's a slap in the face crowd". Because Muslims perpetrated 9/11, then building a mosque near GZ has to be a slap in the face, because mosques are where Muslims worship. It doesn't seem that anybody is even attempting to draw a distinction from extremist Sunni Muslims, from moderates of other sects. This isn't some firebrand Wahabbi Mosque or some Sunni or Shi'ite Madrassa, it is a community center with a house of worship that is needed to replace an older smaller center, which the local community outgrew.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Well you could look at it from different view points on how its a slap in the face.

1 it's a 13 story building with the mosque at on the top floor over looking ground zero.There are plenty of buildings that "overlook ground zero.And I am sure that plenty of them contain chapels somewhere other than the basement of the first floors.
2 we didn't throw up a catholic church in at any location in their home countries where one of our bombs hit.I didn't know that the Cordoba House "hit" us. So which country is it that Cordoba House represents? What country is claiming to have "conquered" Ground Zero?
3 islam is known for building mosques on conquered land which is why its bad placementyou mean to say that Americans conquered GZ? These are American Muslims.

You dont know any more then i do if the people trying to build it are extremists. We can only speculate that they aren't. You are right americans are not the only one effected by extremists. As a matter of fact those that died in those building were every race, creed, religion, and not all were americans. Which is just another reason why respect should be given. No one is asking them not to build a mosque. They are simply being asked to change location of the mosque out of respect.

In that case, how do I know that you aren't a muslim extremist? Should I take your word for it? Speculation my ass, if these guys were extremists, it would be known. ASMA has been around for 13 years, more than enough time to conclude as to whether they hold moderate or extremist views.
http://www.asmasociety.org/home/

You keep saying that it is disrespectful that American Muslims(who have had nothing to do with AlQaeda) are trying to expand and build a community center, because their community is growing, in a building that suits their needs that is available and currently unused.

I will take the mayor's word over ignorant racist extremists, like the ones who produced the video........

Originally Posted by Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the following on a recent radio address

“If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn’t be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can’t. I think it’s fair to say if somebody was going to try to on that piece of property build a church or a synagogue, nobody would be yelling and screaming. And the fact of the matter is that Muslims have a right to do it too. What is great about America and particularly New York is we welcome everybody and I just- you know, if we are so afraid of something like this, what does it say about us? Democracy is stronger than this. You know, the ability to practice your religion is the- was one of the real reasons America was founded. And for us to say no is just, I think, not appropriate is a nice way to phrase it.”

And here is an interesting tidbit,......

Originally Posted by Cordoba Institute's stance on the mayor's comments

While we reiterate our point that the Cordoba House is not intended to be a house of worship, exclusive to Muslims, we echo his statement, and value his support.

Originally Posted by Rawr

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not saying don't have a memorial, because that's exactly what they are building where the towers were. I'm saying that the entire district surrounding ground zero does NOT need to be a memorial.

I can agree with that. I just feel the placement of the mosque is in very poor taste. The opening date which was 9-11 would be in even worse taste but i've been in construction far to long to know it will never happen unless they let the building stay closed until 9-11 the following year.