God doesn't exist. Prove me wrong.

**GoreZiad** · 08-07-10, 12:00 AM

The "fact" that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. Thanks to religion, we live in a world divided against itself, where everyone of us is an infidel to somebody, including you, no matter what you believe, even if it's nothing, you can be guaranteed that somebody, somewhere, hates your guts because of it. Welcome to planet earth, the center of the universe. Enjoy your stay.

**Potemkine** · 08-07-10, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Walkerxes

A force or multiple forces.. it boils down to: if god exists, he exists between the lines, the universe is the words, but he's the paper the words are on. Books have multiple pages (multiple forces), but in the end they're just paper (single force).

VERY interesting analogy/analysis.

**GReYVee** · 08-07-10, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Walkerxes

Religion is completely outside. FAITH is what is inside, and it's all you ever really need. The rest is just show and tell.

You lost me, I live my life, and do what comes from within. Nothing is show and tell for me.

Edit: maybe I get it. I think I just use the word religion and faith interchangeably.

**GReYVee** · 08-07-10, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

The "fact" that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. Thanks to religion, we live in a world divided against itself, where everyone of us is an infidel to somebody, including you, no matter what you believe, even if it's nothing, you can be guaranteed that somebody, somewhere, hates your guts because of it. Welcome to planet earth, the center of the universe. Enjoy your stay.

I'll stick with the Primus version of that video, thanks

**Potemkine** · 08-07-10, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by GReYVee

You lost me, I live my life, and do what comes from within. Nothing is show and tell for me.

Edit: maybe I get it. I think I just use the word religion and faith interchangeably.

And this is where the disconnect is happening. You can have faith in a deity without religion, but you cannot have religion without faith.

**GReYVee** · 08-07-10, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Potemkine

And this is where the disconnect is happening. You can have faith in a deity without religion, but you cannot have religion without faith.

Than I believe in Life and God. Sorry I do not conform to some system. Sounds like a political party to me. Sorry. Religion doesn't work that way. Only for those who wish to separate the others who do not conform. This is where I bail. Now we enter the realm of Christian BullShit. Capital B capital S. BYE

**Silent_Crow** · 08-07-10, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Walkerxes

Not at all. I don't want to die, I love it here, but I don't fear that this is all I have. if anything it helps me to appreciate what I have here.

I am the same way with regard to appreciating the life i have. However I dont see how you "dont fear that this is all you have". That could be too personal of a question, and I think I already know the answer. And Reading your earlier posts i am very similar in my thought process to you. The whole "are we the present day version of people who thought earth quakes were the gods being mad at us, when really there is a sound scientific answer".

I have a theory (and I never took psychology so this could already exist), that everyone's actions in their life are motivated at the core or derived by how they respond to that question. What happens after you die?/Dealing with your own mortality

For me, thank god (lol) that I am young so I can just put the thought off. Right Now I am putting faith in the whole singularity stuff where I can just cyberize my brain in 50 years. (ya I know it likely wont happen, but its things like this that keep the thought out of my mind.)

**Thorsen** · 08-07-10, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Silent_Crow

I am the same way with regard to appreciating the life i have. However I dont see how you "dont fear that this is all you have". That could be too personal of a question, and I think I already know the answer. And Reading your earlier posts i am very similar in my thought process to you. The whole "are we the present day version of people who thought earth quakes were the gods being mad at us, when really there is a sound scientific answer".

I have a theory (and I never took psychology so this could already exist), that everyone's actions in their life are motivated at the core or derived by how they respond to that question. What happens after you die?/Dealing with your own mortality

For me, thank god (lol) that I am young so I can just put the thought off. Right Now I am putting faith in the whole singularity stuff where I can just cyberize my brain in 50 years. (ya I know it likely wont happen, but its things like this that keep the thought out of my mind.)

Right on Joe, I'm much the same way.

**GReYVee** · 08-07-10, 12:17 AM

You decide. I'll go with number 1

religion - 5 dictionary results
re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic . religious rites.
8.
Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9.
get religion, Informal .
a.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.