Thread: Israel and the Palestinians to resume direct talks

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

LOL i didnt even notice. Good catch i would fix it but this one is going to die pretty quick so whats the point.

We understand, they all look alike and talk alike to you.....

lol

Originally Posted by Mr. White

Canadian, both sides will have to make big concessions. This isn't a one-sided deal here.

The Palestinians have very little to concede. About the only thing they can do is lessen their demands, but they really aren't making egregious demands. They have no power and they are fractured. It really is a one-sided deal here, and it is up to the Israeli's to make concessions. Israel is currently governed by extremists and they have shown they have no problem slaughtering Palestinians, so of course little is going to come of this. If Israel can't even respect the building moratorium on new settlements, there is no way they will make concessions. A good assessment: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/wo...s.html?_r=2&hp

Originally Posted by Fovezer

The Palestinians have very little to concede. About the only thing they can do is lessen their demands, but they really aren't making egregious demands. They have no power and they are fractured. It really is a one-sided deal here, and it is up to the Israeli's to make concessions. Israel is currently governed by extremists and they have shown they have no problem slaughtering Palestinians, so of course little is going to come of this. If Israel can't even respect the building moratorium on new settlements, there is no way they will make concessions. A good assessment: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/wo...s.html?_r=2&hp

Man, you are about as negative and far out of touch as they come.... Israel ruled by extremist... Please. Slaughtering Palestinians is an outright lie, unless of course you are referring to the terrorist group Hamas that attacks Israeli civilians with rockets on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

The Palestinians have very little to concede. About the only thing they can do is lessen their demands, but they really aren't making egregious demands. They have no power and they are fractured. It really is a one-sided deal here, and it is up to the Israeli's to make concessions. Israel is currently governed by extremists and they have shown they have no problem slaughtering Palestinians, so of course little is going to come of this. If Israel can't even respect the building moratorium on new settlements, there is no way they will make concessions. A good assessment: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/wo...s.html?_r=2&hp

Wow How did this go last time again? Lets see they wanted the gaza strip so Israel pulled out. What happened next? The were thanked with mortars and rockets. Its going to have to come from both sides this time.

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Man, you are about as negative and far out of touch as they come.... Israel ruled by extremist... Please. Slaughtering Palestinians is an outright lie, unless of course you are referring to the terrorist group Hamas that attacks Israeli civilians with rockets on a daily basis.

Quotes from Netanyahu:
"hit them hard. Not just one hit... but many painful [hits], so that the price will be unbearable. The price is not unbearable, now. A total assault on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to a state of panic that everything is collapsing ... fear that everything will collapse... this is what we'll bring them to..."

“I know what America is. America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction... Let's suppose that they [the Americans] will say something [i.e. to us Israelis] ... so they say it...” [i.e. so what?]
http://crooksandliars.com/ian-welsh/...ca-easily-move

So, yes, it's governed by extremists. Hell, the ruling Lukid party can trace its history back to the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist group. I have shown in other threads where Israel targeted civilians and allowed massacres to happen. Just read the Goldstone report regarding the Gaza War. Both sides terrorize each other, therefore both sides are terrorists. One side tosses pebbles, the other side responds with boulders. Neither is right, but your unbending devotion to Israel blinds you to their actions. You fail to realize that Israeli policy regarding Palestine is a cause of the violence. They're not just shooting those rockets because they are bored, it's their response to Israel's oppressive policy. I'm not excusing Hamas' behavior, it's definitely wrong, but the only way you are going to stop it is by understanding what is causing it. You can stick you head in the sand and pretend Israel is perfect all you want, I refuse to be that naive, though.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Wow How did this go last time again? Lets see they wanted the gaza strip so Israel pulled out. What happened next? The were thanked with mortars and rockets. Its going to have to come from both sides this time.

Wow, a limited withdrawal from Gaza. Did you forget about the West Bank? Have they pulled out of there? No, there keep encroaching with more and more settlements. It was nothing more than a distraction, and that's even according to Israeli government officials.

"Israel marketed disengagement to Americans as a step toward peace, but Palestinians remembered the October 2004 comment of Dov Weisglass, adviser to former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: "The disengagement is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that's necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.""

"Thus, the Gaza "disengagement" plan is also the Jerusalem and West Bank "expansion" plan. The number of Israelis settling in the West Bank this year exceeds the number withdrawn from Gaza."
More: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0817-29.htm

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Myanmar(Burma) is a legal state government and also recognized by the world. That doesn't excuse their actions. Stop being obtuse.

Not even a comparison. Not even worth a response.

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

I stand by what I said earlier, your view is a distorted view. The Israeli government is a legal state government recognized by the world and that goes to extreme lengths to try and avoid civilian injuries and this is a solid fact and that does abide by the Geneva convention and does have a uniformed army. So to say this is a terrorist organization is just silly and the way people see your statements, not worth it's salt and more gibberish from a distorted extreme view.

Like trigger said, being recognized means nothing. Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, etc. are all recognized as legal governments. You call Iran a state-sponsor of terrorism, too. So even you have to believe governments are capable of terroristic acts. That's why recognition means nothing. And there is such a thing as state terrorism. And I have repeatedly documented where Israel has violated the Geneva Conventions and human rights of Palestinians. Read the Goldstone report, for starters. If you want to call my view extreme, when I base it on facts, what do you call your view that Israel is perfect and can do nothing wrong?

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

The quote that you marked was referred to Hamas and the other terrorist factions that keep attacking Israel. He wanted to strike fear in their hearts and have them scared to death to even challenge the Israelis again in fear of what more could come from those that are being attacked on a daily basis and have been restraining from retaliation. You can slap the bear and he can take it, but when he has had enough, he will rip you to shreds and eat you.

No, it wasn't. He specifically says "Palestinian Authority," which was created after the Oslo Accords to govern Palestine. It was said before Hamas gained any power. So don't invent meanings for quotes if you don't know where they came from. And I see you ignored the quote where Netanyahu basically says they can control the US like it is their puppet. Guess you have no problems being a puppet, eh?

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Like trigger said, being recognized means nothing. Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, etc. are all recognized as legal governments. You call Iran a state-sponsor of terrorism, too. So even you have to believe governments are capable of terroristic acts. That's why recognition means nothing. And there is such a thing as state terrorism. And I have repeatedly documented where Israel has violated the Geneva Conventions and human rights of Palestinians. Read the Goldstone report, for starters. If you want to call my view extreme, when I base it on facts, what do you call your view that Israel is perfect and can do nothing wrong?



No, it wasn't. He specifically says "Palestinian Authority," which was created after the Oslo Accords to govern Palestine. It was said before Hamas gained any power. So don't invent meanings for quotes if you don't know where they came from. And I see you ignored the quote where Netanyahu basically says they can control the US like it is their puppet. Guess you have no problems being a puppet, eh?

It is world recognized that Iran is the #1 state sponsor of terrorism. Deny it all you want, but every one else in this world knows that it is true.

Israel has been fighting terrorist and that is who they were referring too, not the civilians and you know it, but you want to spin it. Militant groups. Hamas and Fatah.

I never said Israel was perfect... I am sure a rule got bent somewhere when you are having to deal with terrorist attacking you every day. And then to tie their hands with a bunch of silly rules that they terrorist are not playing by, right on, just like anybody else and even us, sometimes mistakes are accidents.

Israel did not say they control the USA, you spun that way out of context too.