Health care bill starting to show its true colors.

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-26-10, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Alundil

My employer leadership has already informed all of our directors/managers that there will be no additional hiring beyond what was already budgeted this year. From this point forward, we'll be asked to evaluate what processes can be out-sourced to India and 3rd Party Contracting (off shoring) will pick up the slack....so we're told. We've been overworked and understaffed since a 10% cost reduction last year (and we were understaffed before that happened).

Lovely employer you have there. You must feel nothing but respect and loyalty towards how they treat their beloved employees.

If you don't mind, could you name who your employer is so that I can find out how much they profit within a year? I'll bet they are not losing any money irregardless of outsourcing.

**Fovezer** · 10-26-10, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Alundil

When the people in charge of your company are no longer "whining" and are making changes to budgets, changes to staff improvement/expansion, changes to expected levels of care....I'll take that over the projections of any economist quoted in an article.

My employer leadership has already informed all of our directors/managers that there will be no additional hiring beyond what was already budgeted this year. From this point forward, we'll be asked to evaluate what processes can be out-sourced to India and 3rd Party Contracting (off shoring) will pick up the slack....so we're told. We've been overworked and understaffed since a 10% cost reduction last year (and we were understaffed before that happened).

But, I realize that was somewhat of a "personal anecdote" so feel free to disregard. However, it IS exactly what's happening and will continue to happen, regardless of what the White House and the news reports state.

Congratulations, you work for a company that supports the destruction of the middle class in America. It's companies like this, who either lay people off or refuse to hire new people and choose to outsource instead, that put us in the current situation of not drastically improving employment numbers. They are the problem. They use the downturn as an excuse to cut employees, cut wages, outsource jobs, etc. to acheive a greater profit margin. And the sad thing is our government lets them get away with it.

**ems_goof** · 10-26-10, 12:40 PM

I see nothing but a scare tactic used by every industry, and every country, when major changes are proposed to their "status quo". It's only coming out right now because it's a week to an election and it's convenient to bring this "scare" up.

**Gumby** · 10-26-10, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Wrong. The goal was two fold.

1. Provide universal health care coverage to every citizen.

2. In time, bring down the cost of health care in the country.

Do you not see those as conflicting goals?
Since when has the cost of anything the government paid for went down?

Mind you, I am not against government health care. I like the German health system a lot. I am just open-eyed about it and I know how much it costs and how heavily people here are taxed to pay for it all.

Taxation in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-26-10, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gumby

Do you not see those as conflicting goals?
Since when has the cost of anything the government paid for went down?

Mind you, I am not against government health care. I like the German health system a lot. I am just open-eyed about it and I know how much it costs and how heavily people here are taxed to pay for it all.

Taxation in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where does it say that the government will pay for it. Of all the European countries, not one government pays for the health care. It's a shared cost between employer and employee. There are cost savings anytime more people are insured b/c the risk is spread out over a greater area. There are costs savings to be had as well.

**Gumby** · 10-26-10, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

There are costs savings to be had as well.

you actually trust the government, the U.S. Federal government, to SAVE money?

And being required to buy the public insurance at a rate determined by the government and based on your income is absolutely a tax. I do not know about you, but my (FANTASTIC) health insurance costs me nowhere near the 10-15% of their income that Germans pay for theirs. It may cost my employer a pretty penny, but I thought you wanted the burden to stay on those guys anyway?

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-26-10, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gumby

you actually trust the government, the U.S. Federal government, to SAVE money?

And being required to buy the public insurance at a rate determined by the government and based on your income is absolutely a tax. I do not know about you, but my (FANTASTIC) health insurance costs me nowhere near the 10-15% of their income that Germans pay for theirs. It may cost my employer a pretty penny, but I thought you wanted the burden to stay on those guys anyway?

Again, the government doesn't run health care just like in Europe.

Call it whatever you want, it's necessary. I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare. Your company is a contractor for the US there for I pay you with my taxes. And ask any German if he or she would rather have health insurance or not.

**WickedTribe** · 10-26-10, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gumby

you actually trust the government, the U.S. Federal government, to SAVE money?

And being required to buy the public insurance at a rate determined by the government and based on your income is absolutely a tax. I do not know about you, but my (FANTASTIC) health insurance costs me nowhere near the 10-15% of their income that Germans pay for theirs. It may cost my employer a pretty penny, but I thought you wanted the burden to stay on those guys anyway?

On average, we pay twice as much for health care as people in countries that provide it.
Cost of Health Care By Country, as Compared to Life Expectancy - Health - GOOD

**Gumby** · 10-27-10, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Again, the government doesn't run health care just like in Europe.

Call it whatever you want, it's necessary. I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare. Your company is a contractor for the US there for I pay you with my taxes. And ask any German if he or she would rather have health insurance or not.

If it makes you feel better, I will likely not be a contractor soon and you can pay for mine directly :P