Baghdad church siege ends with 52 dead

**Consultant** · 11-01-10, 03:24 PM

Well, Nuckle, my simple-minded Alabamian friend, if we just talk to the crazy people with explosives strapped to them who've been told that if they martyr themselves to kill infidels they get into heaven, they'll take off their vests and come out. C'mon, dontcha know?! Explain that the people who told them that were wrong and they'll come around.

**triggerhappy2005** · 11-01-10, 05:00 PM

If they were so crazy and just religious zealots looking for martyrdom, why didn't they just off everyone when they first attacked? Why the siege?

**draco7891** · 11-01-10, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

If they were so crazy... why didn't they just off everyone when they first attacked? Why the siege?

Because terrorism is worthless if no one knows about it. Maximum effect requires maximum exposure, so garnering media attention before the act is a necessary part of the act itself.

Ah, I get it. What we should do, is turn around and find the nearest pile of sand, and bury our heads! Yes, if we just pretend the terrorists don't exist, they'll all go home.

Draco

**triggerhappy2005** · 11-01-10, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by draco7891

Because terrorism is worthless if no one knows about it. Maximum effect requires maximum exposure, so garnering media attention before the act is a necessary part of the act itself.

They would of had the same amount of media coverage if they had lived up to Consultant's view of them and killed all the worshippers when they first arrived. By taking hostages, it would detract from the notion that they were simply religious zealots. A person that suicide bombs a cafe so he can have his 72 virgins can not be confused with anything other than a religious zealot.

~~Ah, I get it. What we should do, is turn around and find the nearest pile of sand, and bury our heads! Yes, if we just pretend the terrorists don't exist, they'll all go home.~~

This wasn't even part of the discussion. Childish, really.

Draco

**digital** · 11-01-10, 05:26 PM

The middle is east in general is had been the same for last 2000 to 5000 years.

You get a dictator in charge, a religious extremist faction and you fight over dirt.

I wonder if you live in a place that wasnt mostly covered by sand, 120 degress and got laid more then if they would be a more relaxed group of individuals.

I guarentee when I die hopefully around the age of 80 or older in say the next 50 years the same bullshit going on now will be the same bullshit then.

**draco7891** · 11-01-10, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

By taking hostages, it would detract from the notion that they were simply religious zealots.

So what were they, overeager encyclopedia salesmen?

Draco

**Nuckle** · 11-01-10, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

If they were so crazy and just religious zealots looking for martyrdom, why didn't they just off everyone when they first attacked? Why the siege?

How long has them crazy fuckers been blowing themselves up and taking people with them? How long has them crazy fuckers been killing in the name of Allah? Probably since around the 7th century.

How many times do we need to see so called hostages beheaded before we learn a damn thing. Plenty of smart people around here with very little walking around sense.

**~~hawgballs~~** · 11-01-10, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Sarcasm after 52 people just got murdered by terrorist is not very appealing to your characters.

Sarcasm, because it was evident then and it is very evident now that it was a mistake to invade Iraq and that Iraq is indeed not safer or in any better condition than it was pre-invasion/occupation.....

*EDIT*

But it looks like they learned a few things from our leadership......http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39945205...deastn_africa/

**~~hawgballs~~** · 11-01-10, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Consultant

Depends who you ask...

Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I ask our refugee porters, christians from Iraq, and they say it was better when the "brutal dictator" was around. Christians need not fear bands of Shia looking for inifidels...... That is why they are "refugees" because since the invasion, christians and sunni are fair game for the majority shia.......