Thread: Guess what is celebrated today in Iran

Chrono your a J O O ?

Originally Posted by chrono

To be honest what the alternative in my vocabulary for the term "sand people" would be is infidels, but many here are infidels too so I won't get into the infidel subject.

Except that isn't the word that you want, being such a student of the Torah. Infidel is a Christian term, and in the Middle Ages it was a slur against Jews and Muslims alike.

You would be looking for gentile, or maybe kofer.

Goyim/gentile does not mean the same as infidel. If I say infidel, I mean someone who has a false religion or no religion, if I say infidel I'm saying what I mean. And by saying infidel, I imply infidel. The unfaithful Jews who are faithless and forsake the LORD, God, they too are infidels at this point in time. If I say infidel I mean it. It is merely more demeaning than referring to a group of people as sand people rather than by their infidelity because then you wouldn't know if I meant Muslims or everyone who doesn't believe what I believe, as in all the earth.

chrono, this is home of drama queens since 2005.

TTP/TPG, we know drama.

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Sand people have long been termed desert dwellers in that region for centuries, so don't try and make it racial, it was not intended to be perceived that way and he clarified that.

Continue back on topic.

Sent from mobile Command.

It isn't racial, but I can certainly see how it can be seen as a derogatory term. Some could be offended.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Aren't Jews not supposed to spell "God" out?

not exactly. it is more His actual name that can not be written.

I am not sure how Commander was picked out of this crowd as one who supported you but I was not against you Chrono and was actually asking more about you. I am surprised to find out you are from Missouri. The way you were addressing the issues made it sound as if you were actually living in the mix of it. But along the lines of what Arreo was saying, if you come here looking for discourse and intellegent debate and discussion you would do better to not start calling people infidels whatever you belief is. Treat them with respect and it will be given in turn or if it isn't then your point is made even more so. Coming in coarse as sand paper you will elicit rough responses.

So again I ask where or who taught you? Are they published so I can go and read their work? Or is it online like videos or recorded lectures?

Self learned. I wouldn't be a fundamentalist if I were taught one form a Jewish traditions over another. My worship of God will not be commandments of men. My God is the potter and we are His clay and I will not be a part of trying to make pottery of the Potter and treat the Potter as clay, men can't just decide how God is. Isaiah 29, it says that Jerusalem will get attacked very shortly, within a year, mind you, then it discusses those who attack her, and those are Muslims who dream they are eating(Jesus said beware of the yeast of the pharisees, and was implying that bread is code for the word or teachings of God, and drinking water is also reference to drinking the word of God, read Isaiah 55 for an example) and dream they are drinking, as in they think they have been learning about God, but Mohammed's teachings were false, so the food and drink were not real, so when they wake up they find themselves hungry and thirsty, and realize they were very very wrong as they find themselves at the wrong end of God's wrath, then it also goes on to where God speaks of "their worship of Me are commandments of men" and I don't want that for myself. If any denomination were the right one, had it all figured out, if any Rabbi new what all the answers were, then there'd be only one form of Judaism, so I am a fundamentalist. That means I go back to the scripture and go from there instead of learning the traditions, which Jesus sent a message about by not washing his hands purposefully when among the hand-washing pharisees to make his point that traditions aren't the same as worship of God. He said "you strain out flies but swallow camels." Which I always find humorous. So, fundamentalists go back to the bare fundamentals and what is stated in the scripture, instead of choosing the traditions where every minute detail as to how you must do to follow the rules are spelled out for the Orthodox, I obey the Sabbath, not the sunday where men made a terrible mistake which is an abomination and tried to change what God put in place, but the Shabbat that starts at the beginning of sunset on friday and ends at the end of sunset on saturday, I have difficulty quiting my cigarette smoking but I can and do keep myself from smoking on the Sabbath. The scripture says not to start fires on the Shabbat, but that's all it says, but by having to be taught to follow tradition where each minute detail is spelled out by others going from back to ancient times would say not to put out a fire either. I started with that as my standard but read it for myself and found them to be wrong. Jews are not supposed to learn the ways of the nations, which is why I called out the Californian ultra liberal(because that's the state) secular assimilated Jew who has his religion watered down by the atheist-infected ideology of the nations. I know what I'm talking about, I was a very liberal individual. I used to despise Bush and thought everything that liberals said sounded exactly as I would agree with, but now I look back and I see that for both sides, left and right, they have blinders like a horse with blinders so it can only see the trail straight ahead that the rider or coachman chooses for them, their opinions are made for them and they don't even realize it, I didn't, until I became more and more religious which took me from liberal ideals. I was secular, now I am not. I found it difficult to rebuild, as I still am doing, the foundations of my world view which was once the liberal values of seculars, each person grows up learning their perception of right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable, from those around them, and their values which they base their world view upon are defined by the society and culture, I had difficulty but it has gotten easier to abandon that which is not reliable and is from atheists and to replace it with God's values. A programmer knows how the program works, in the same way God knows everything about what He created, so I believe what the all knowing LORD says over anything that men decide. Single mothers struggling to both work, or even study too, while raising a child by herself, that is one of many reasons why sex before marriage is bad for us. We are stupid monkeys, God knows everything, we can't figure out what's best for us or the world would be a better place, and people wouldn't sin, so we obviously need God to teach us what is best for us for our own good because the greatest threat to mankind's existence is in fact mankind itself, other than God's wrath, but that's our own fault, God loves us and knows what is best and just like you don't want your kid standing in the middle of a highway God doesn't want us to do what is bad for ourselves, so He will force what is best for us upon us, and it is in our best interest. Atheists are merely stupid monkeys who mistake God's patience and mercy for nonexistence, and they ask for proof of God's existence but that proves that they are stupid because the proof they'd get would be God's wrath against them.

Once upon a time, if a mother's baby died she would be devastated and very sad, but these days in America women think they have a right to kill their own offspring. Woman's rights? Who stands up for the fetus? Is it alive? Yes, it is living tissue... it's living, and it has it's own DNA apart from the woman in whose whom that fetus is in, and that DNA is human DNA, it's a human, and it's alive, and had the mother not killed it then he or she, the fetus, would become a cute little child with a personality, and would become an adult just like you. Your closest loved one in your life, think about if that live had been stolen by an evil mother who eats her own babies, then that person would've been murdered before you could've become so close to them. That fetus is going to be someone, and you performed the act of procreation, you engaged in reproduction, and you are surprised that by doing that which makes babies that a baby resulted out of it? Female irresponsibility is not fair and not worth the life of my own brother. I am glad my brother was not murdered by abortion. I love my brother. It's giving life and taking it away not giving that baby the same chance at life that you had, it's thinking one human life is more valuable than the inconvenience of the life of another human being, when the constitution says all people were created equally. That mother has no right, and society should protect the right of that fetus just like you wouldn't want your own brother or sister to be murdered. Yet mankind comes to the conclusion that this is acceptable to kill babies, when in the time when people were concerned with obedience to God, mothers would be distraught over a still born baby, where the hell has our society gone since then? Now mothers think it's their right to kill their own children. People think adultery is acceptable. No, no no no, it is not, it makes the world a worse place. God knows best. Man is arrogant and a human's perception of his or her own intelligence is the biggest delusion they'll ever encounter. To think that mankind can figure it out on their own is pure stupidity, we need God to teach us what is best for us, because the evil way mankind is, I would be dead by now were it not for God my savior, I'd rather not exist, I should be dead right now, I hated living in this society it was miserable. People weren't necessarily mean to me, it's just... you can't even leave your pencil on your desk while you're sitting there, someone will still steal it somehow, in a world where a pencil that isn't in your pocket is the same as no pencil at all I would rather not sit my whole life in a cubical getting ripped off by an inferior minded stupid greedy bunch of executives who pay themselves more and when my pay is not dependent on the profit of the company but remains the same, that is stealing our wages, and growing wages as profit increases gives more money to the majority to spend and this causes economic growth and creates more jobs in order to meet the increase in demand, and when it gets to the point where demand for employees exceeds the supply, your wages go up even more, but no I'd have to work for a inferior minded monkey brained piece of crap who would earn more off my work than I would. No, that world is not appealing to me. I long ago lost faith in mankind and decided everyone was stupid and the world was about to end, and it was depressing, I saw the economic collapse, and that stimulus is what saved us, but then stupid monkeys whining about the economy say we should've gone off the cliff and had global economic collapse instead of the stimulus bill, and politicians who were the very same who CAUSED the problem then go and use that which kept what they did to the economy from killing the economy as a political weapon and got elected by people who actually think that the same idiots who caused the problem can fix it by doing exactly what they did to cause it? For real, we need God.

I am not taught, I am open to listening but I don't take it as truth upon hearing it, I am a critical thinker, I think for myself and make my own opinions. I am not bound by the political stupidity which blinds both sides of the whole picture. I would've voted democrat for senator, that's all I wanted to vote on, but no, I forgot, but I had originally told myself I'd never vote again. In fact, with how smart people are NOT, it scares me that people vote. I would never vote republican for national leadership, though it wouldn't bother me for local leadership, but you can't vote for a democrat without getting gay marriage and abortion along with it. No, I am not taught, no one decides what my opinions are for me except my God, and that I am questioned about who makes my opinion for me is what proves that mankind is too stupid to realize that they don't think but only think that they think.

90% of Christians think Jesus is God, and that's retarded. I know Jesus was the Messiah and I can get far more accurate details regarding him and the second coming from my Tanakh than from the edited Old Testiment which hardly resembles prophesies that are hard enough to interpret when you're reading what it actually says, but believe me, there's like 7 Christian Bibles, atleast, in my home, and none of them say the same thing. I see more truth about Jesus in a Jewish translation made by those who don't believe Jesus is the messiah than in the edited unreliable Old Testament. Jesus is not God, it is an abomination to worship man, the disciples didn't worship him, nor did the Jewish founders of the Church which was taken over by gentiles fresh from paganism who made their pagan tradition that is today the Christmas tree into a christian religion and added their theology that Jesus was God. If Jesus were God then why would Jesus pray to God? Also, because the context of the Gog and Magog in the book of Ezekiel who I have found to be a real, reliable prophet who has said things that have come true very recently, disagrees with the book of Revelations says about Gog, I know that the book of Revelations just steals from other prophets, adds nonsense, and then proves itself false by not agreeing with the prophet who is proven true. And the book of acts in the New Testament isn't reliable, it has a quote from Joel early in that book in the first few chapters and it claims Peter said that which he didn't say and that it was the holy spirit when the holy spirit doesn't disagree with it self, what the book of acts claims happened 2000 years ago has yet to happen, and the context of the prophesy makes it clear that it is an event in the near future. No one tells me what to believe, other than God, and I know what is said in that which is bound up among the disciples, as in that which is blatantly obvious to me is not open for others to see, God blinds them. Yea that sounds wacky to you but you have to be taught what to think, you're taught what to do and not how to do it and how the way of doing it works.

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The Tanakh I read with both Hebrew and English side by side has it said twice in Isaiah chapter 2 that "only God will be exulted in that day", it says so repeatedly, that ONLY God would be exulted and the last thing that chapter says is "CEASE TO GLORIFY MAN" which implies via vocabulary that by "cease" it means to stop, as in it implies a prediction that man would be glorified, and it says not to do it, that on top of repeadly saying that ONLY GOD would be exalted in that day. You can't stop doing what you aren't doing, so the vocabulary insists that people are doing so, and it wouldn't tell them to stop if the prophesy wasn't made with the assumption that people would be glorifying man, so the prophesy indicated God knew Jesus would be worshiped and that it must be put to an end. In the Torah God says nothing on earth, nothing in heaven, none among the assembly of God, nothing and no one may be worshiped but God Himself.

A secular assimilated liberal faithless Jew from California with watered down Judaism doesn't know that a king's entire family would be slaughtered if that person merely failed to destroy all religious worship or idolatry or anything that God didn't approve of, if the king failed to destroy all those practices from the land and to slaughter all the people responsible, then that would get the king's family and decedents slaughtered. He says "oh don't say other gods aren't real" and mistakes what he has learned culturally as the truth and the only truth and can't separate it from His religion either. Not that I'm saying go slaughter, I'm just making a point. And Christians who say that the Old Testament isn't relevant anymore because of Jesus are speaking blasphemy, God never changes, He says so Himself, they don't understand the scary side of God. It would make your skin crawl. You'd get goosebumps if you only realized. Now, God said in the Torah, He spoke through His servant Moses that Jews must love each other as themselves, that a Jew must love the stranger as you would love yourself as well, that the stranger is to be accounted as equal to any citizen, and that there may only be one standard for both Jew and stranger in the land. I know that and I have no hate in me, I speak what I believe is the truth, and yet those who say I'm hateful don't even know that what I just said is in the Torah. "speak as an individual, not as a Jew" as if "oh no, we might be mistaken for actually having faith and believing in God and that we must observe His commandments and we always know that all God says is true" oh, a liberal wouldn't want that, would he? As if the immorality of men who say "kill your own babies" and "it's okay that you did the act of reproduction and then reproduced, your irresponsibility is okay, we can just kill the human being in your belly" and think that adultery is okay when it makes the world a worse place. I would never marry an American, and for a real reason. I've been in love with someone who loved me back enough that we might've gotten married and it was so horrible that it is almost completely missing from my memory and the rest of my life along with it. No, you stupid monkeys, adultery makes the world worse for everyone. God commands Israel in the Torah that if a man married a woman to find that she is not a virgin, then unless her father can prove otherwise, she is to be stoned to death. How to get a bunch of dumb monkey brained humans to do only that which is best for them and not to do that which is bad for them? Well you have to have a system of getting rid of those who don't obey to establish this. If people didn't have the IRS to make their lives more difficult, but rather there were no punishment or enforcement of tax laws, so you could just not pay your taxes and nothing would happen, then how many people would do their duty to society?