Thread: Can humans be trusted...

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

The group that is collectively bargaining has their interests in mind. The other party sitting across the table has theirs in mind. That is why it's called bargaining. It would pointless if the teachers based their position on what the taxpayers wanted when it comes to their salaries. That would be silly.

It would be silly for Wal-Mart to pay people more than what they currently are if it is not necessary. Yet you claim Wal-Mart is bad for America and these teachers are fighting for what is right. Doesn't it work both ways?

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Yeah, they teach the food groups at school, but what do kids see when they go home? McDonalds or healthy food? Parents are the prime source when it comes to teaching good habits especially eating ones, and that is partly society's fault.

So if the parents choose to be dipshits how is that society's fault, and not the parent's?

The majority of those dipshits choose to be dipshits because that is the only option they think is available.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

The majority of those dipshits choose to be dipshits because that is the only option they think is available.

Schools have had education on healthy food choices since at least the 50s, so once again, how is society to blame if they chose to ignore the teachings offered?

Originally Posted by CivilWars

It would be silly for Wal-Mart to pay people more than what they currently are if it is not necessary. Yet you claim Wal-Mart is bad for America and these teachers are fighting for what is right. Doesn't it work both ways?

You're twisting the argument now. The teachers are doing what they feel is right for them as a group. You further twist the argument by falsly claiming that I declared Wal Mart bad for America when I clearly stated that it was their practices that I dislike. The same practices that got them kicked out of Germany b/c the German government wasn't having any of their union busting ways. Because of their scale of economies they can move into a community and undercut the competition so much that with time they're the only game in town. Couple that with their workers not being able to unionize and they basically become a monopoly fully abusing it's powers. That's when a government of the people, for the people and by the people should step in and do what's right. Unfortunately for America, we only have a government of the business, for the business and by the business.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Schools have had education on healthy food choices since at least the 50s, so once again, how is society to blame if they chose to ignore the teachings offered?

Because a lot of the times with dipshits you need to hit someone over the head to drill in the lesson. Those lessons are also only offered primarily in elementary school when most kids don't give a rat's ass about it.

sometimes i think animals got more sense then people

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

You're twisting the argument now. The teachers are doing what they feel is right for them as a group. You further twist the argument by falsly claiming that I declared Wal Mart bad for America when I clearly stated that it was their practices that I dislike. The same practices that got them kicked out of Germany b/c the German government wasn't having any of their union busting ways. Because of their scale of economies they can move into a community and undercut the competition so much that with time they're the only game in town. Couple that with their workers not being able to unionize and they basically become a monopoly fully abusing it's powers. That's when a government of the people, for the people and by the people should step in and do what's right. Unfortunately for America, we only have a government of the business, for the business and by the business.

I am not twisting anything, I am simply asking questions because I truly don't know what the correct answer is, and I truly mean that. Is Wal-Mart, and its policies, good or bad for an economy? On one hand I totally agree that they drive smaller businesses out of market because of their sheer volume, but on the other hand if I can get stuff for half the price then why would I pay double somewhere else? As far as unions yes, they are great in most cases for their members, but are they truly great for those outside of their group? Is it great that unions drove up auto worker labor costs so high that we had to bail out American motor companies? By the same token is it great that the same companies were handing out executive bonuses like pez? I opposed the banking and auto bailouts because true capitalism does not mean always going up. Some companies will fail, and will either disappear, or be scavenged by those who are successful enough to do it right.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Because a lot of the times with dipshits you need to hit someone over the head to drill in the lesson. Those lessons are also only offered primarily in elementary school when most kids don't give a rat's ass about it.

If ignorance was due to lack of the existence of education then I might blame society, but if it is due to lack of acceptance of offered education then that is on the person, not society.

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

You're twisting the argument now. The teachers are doing what they feel is right for them as a group. You further twist the argument by falsly claiming that I declared Wal Mart bad for America when I clearly stated that it was their practices that I dislike. The same practices that got them kicked out of Germany b/c the German government wasn't having any of their union busting ways. Because of their scale of economies they can move into a community and undercut the competition so much that with time they're the only game in town. Couple that with their workers not being able to unionize and they basically become a monopoly fully abusing it's powers. That's when a government of the people, for the people and by the people should step in and do what's right. Unfortunately for America, we only have a government of the business, for the business and by the business.

Living in america does not guarantee one a job. It is an offer and you take it or leave it. If I offer to mow a yard for $25 and the home owner says I only want to spend $20, thats my offer I take it or leave it. In the end its that simple. Business is made of individuals and it is their greed that cause them to run their business in such a way. As individuals we either patronize their business or not. If enough people use them they are in business. If enough people work for them they are in business. If it is so bad you find a way not to work for the company.

You can bargain with the employer and try and raise but if he calls. You either work or get fired. I do not see a job as a right. If your collective bargaining works, great; if it doesnt, well thats life, you win some lose some.

There are a lot more factors then just ignorance that go into the weight problem (imo).