Can humans be trusted...

**Bunni** · 02-21-11, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I understand the flaws, but people that have parents (ie the king, the dictator, etc) rebel against them as well, so once again, what will work?

hey im not saying i have the answer. I am saying democracy is not heading in the right direction and its time to start looking for another answer. Lets try some alternatives, hell lets try some combination.

But with democracy, youll never be able to switch the goverment to a new forum, without a crescendo event (people every where learn the errors of their ways).

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

And what age would that be? If people care about being healthy there are metric shit tons of information available in every school, library, and on the internet. If people don't give a crap then no amount of lecturing will change that regardless of when it is lectured.

High school or college. Make it a required class or part of your university seminar.

**triggerhappy2005** · 02-21-11, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bunni

hey im not saying i have the answer. I am saying democracy is not heading in the right direction and its time to start looking for another answer. Lets try some alternatives, hell lets try some combination.

But with democracy, youll never be able to switch the goverment to a new forum, without a crescendo event (people every where learn the errors of their ways).

I don't think that it's democracy (the political system) that is the problem but our economic model (unfettered capitalism) that presents the problem. All European countries are democracies yet they look after their people much better. This comes in the form of taxes, unions, regulations, universal health coverage, etc...

**CivilWars** · 02-21-11, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

High school or college. Make it a required class or part of your university seminar.

Yes, teach it at college, so only about 25% of the population have the opportunity. That will educate everyone. And I am sure MOST high school kids are really concerned about healthy cooking as opposed to Taco Bell.

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Yes, teach it at college, so only about 25% of the population have the opportunity. That will educate everyone. And I am sure MOST high school kids are really concerned about healthy cooking as opposed to Taco Bell.

My college offers lots of educational programs including health related ones to the public for free...

**deathgodusmc** · 02-21-11, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Because a lot of the times with dipshits you need to hit someone over the head to drill in the lesson. Those lessons are also only offered primarily in elementary school when most kids don't give a rat's ass about it.

What is your point to this? The information is given and retained plus its spit back in your face thru your entire life. So who is to blame for making bad choices? Only one person can make the decision to make use of the knowledge they have recieved. So it only leaves one person to blame. If you doubt that ask anyone who changed their diet after having a heart attack or a stroke.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-21-11, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

My college offers lots of educational programs including health related ones to the public for free...

That next to no one chooses to show up to.

**Fovezer** · 02-21-11, 01:32 PM

Ok, to answer your original question, yes, I do believe people individually generally have an idea what they want. However, as an individual, you have no power or standing to make your desires known nor do you have a chance at even negotiating. Unions and collective bargaining gives power to all the workers to negotiate better wages/benefits/etc. It doesn't give them the right to their demands, but at least it gives them some say in the matter instead of being held hostage by the owners/management. I don't believe people should be treated as cheap, expendable commodities and management treated as kings among men, and that's exactly how they are seen by anti-union and anti-worker people. Honestly, though, a lot of this conflict could be avoided if the government would pass things like universal health care, laws mandating some vacation/sick time, and a living wage.

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

That next to no one chooses to show up to.

Actual attendance per class is close to 50 people, but I'm sure you have a lot of experience with the subject that you gained as a pogue.

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

What is your point to this? The information is given and retained plus its spit back in your face thru your entire life. So who is to blame for making bad choices? Only one person can make the decision to make use of the knowledge they have recieved. So it only leaves one person to blame. If you doubt that ask anyone who changed their diet after having a heart attack or a stroke.

The point was pretty clear. According to you, it's not my job to make it any clearer to you. Use your brain.