TSA in denial?

**deathgodusmc** · 03-05-11, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

No where in that last response could I find anything that could be even considered a rational thought.

I can not argue with you anymore death

There is no use. Your second sentence proves to me that you do not pay attention.

LOL sure thats what it was. Didn't have anything to do with the fact are what they are but fair enough we dont agree.

**~~hawgballs~~** · 03-05-11, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

LOL sure thats what it was. Didn't have anything to do with the fact are what they are but fair enough we dont agree.

You see god, a search is when you are actively searching for something. Whereas a frisk is a patdown used to ......... errrrrr......... ummmmmmmmm........ search for something? Get the difference? No? Neither do I.

**Gumby** · 03-06-11, 03:48 AM

watching you guys argue semantics is funny.

**WickedTribe** · 03-06-11, 09:33 AM

Semitics can be very important.

**Kraker Jak** · 03-06-11, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by hawgballs

You see god, a search is when you are actively searching for something. Whereas a frisk is a patdown used to ......... errrrrr......... ummmmmmmmm........ search for something? Get the difference? No? Neither do I.

Well...good thing the US supreme court does....

**deathgodusmc** · 03-06-11, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Well...good thing the US supreme court does....

I would have to disagree with that in this case because a TSA issue has not made it the supreme court yet. I may have missed something because i cant read everything but every lawsuit i have seen TSA in court with in regards to this crap they have lost. Its only a matter of time before it ends up there though.

I will add that the supreme court has never oked random searchs for no reason for any law enfordement agency.

**Kraker Jak** · 03-06-11, 11:28 AM

Of course they havnt, it would be unconstitutional to do so. What you fail to realize is, TSA only "searches" when they DO have a reason...its the degree of that reason that you either disagree with or do not understand. Terry v Ohio specifically outlined search and seizure laws based on reasonable suspicion for law enforcement...so the supreme court has Decided on the differences between what a "search" is and what a "frisk" is...which is what I was refering to. TSA's "frisks" of person after they walk throught he metal detector is the same as being frisked at a ball park, or football game, or concert. It's just TSA puts a little more effort in actually frisking someone. There is no law that says what you can and can not frisk, it simply states an "outer clothes pat down for contraband." (definition of a frisk).

TSA will "search" you if they have probable cause to believe you have something illegal. And I'm willing to bet, by them seeing something that a reasonable person would believe to be a weapon on an Xray image, that would be enough probable cause to open that bag, and search it. Just like every laptop bag at the airport gets searched...because they can not verify weather or not its a laptop..all they see is wires, and an electrical device.

The only time I have had a bag searched was when I was going to Las Vegas to perform with my band. In my carry on bag, I just brough 3 pedals with me for my guitar, along with my gutiar cables. That bag got searched because in the metal detector, it looked like little metal boxes, with cables connected to it. I did not complain one bit, and actually would of been pissed if they saw that in the metal detector, and just said "meh, seems ok to me" I gladly opened my bag, pulled the pedals out, explained what they were, and I was on my way

Don't yell at me...yell at your congrassman

**deathgodusmc** · 03-06-11, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Of course they havnt, it would be unconstitutional to do so. What you fail to realize is, TSA only "searches" when they DO have a reason...its the degree of that reason that you either disagree with or do not understand. Terry v Ohio specifically outlined search and seizure laws based on reasonable suspicion for law enforcement...so the supreme court has Decided on the differences between what a "search" is and what a "frisk" is...which is what I was refering to. TSA's "frisks" of person after they walk throught he metal detector is the same as being frisked at a ball park, or football game, or concert. It's just TSA puts a little more effort in actually frisking someone. There is no law that says what you can and can not frisk, it simply states an "outer clothes pat down for contraband." (definition of a frisk).

TSA will "search" you if they have probable cause to believe you have something illegal. And I'm willing to bet, by them seeing something that a reasonable person would believe to be a weapon on an Xray image, that would be enough probable cause to open that bag, and search it. Just like every laptop bag at the airport gets searched...because they can not verify weather or not its a laptop..all they see is wires, and an electrical device.

The only time I have had a bag searched was when I was going to Las Vegas to perform with my band. In my carry on bag, I just brough 3 pedals with me for my guitar, along with my gutiar cables. That bag got searched because in the metal detector, it looked like little metal boxes, with cables connected to it. I did not complain one bit, and actually would of been pissed if they saw that in the metal detector, and just said "meh, seems ok to me" I gladly opened my bag, pulled the pedals out, explained what they were, and I was on my way

Don't yell at me...yell at your congrassman

What you are failing to grasp is they search everyone now.

**Kraker Jak** · 03-06-11, 01:34 PM

I was unaware that every single bag, every purse, every pocket, coat, jacket, sweater is gone through....hmmm..Just flew about a month ago....and I went right through security....Must be a florida thing I guess....

**deathgodusmc** · 03-06-11, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I was unaware that every single bag, every purse, every pocket, coat, jacket, sweater is gone through....hmmm..Just flew about a month ago....and I went right through security....Must be a florida thing I guess....

Then youy haven't been keeping up with things and thats fine no one can keep up with everything.