Thread: TSA in denial?

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

There doesnt need to be probable cause for a scanner to scan you. The 4th amendment protects you from "unreasonable" searches and seizures, and since a full body scan is not technically a "search" it does not warrent here. Now, if you ask on a "reasonable expectaion of privacy" that may work, but being scanned is a condition to flying on an airline. Just like a condition of your drivers license, you have to submit to a chemicle test if there is reason to believe you have committed an OWI.

It most certainly is a search. Its a condition a government agency set in place not the owners of the air crafts. There is a huge difference between submiting for a chemical test for suspicion of being under the influence while driving a car and being searched to ride on a plane. A better compairison would be the driver getting pulled over and the passenger being given a dui test instead of the driver.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

So full circle, back around...because it is a government agency, you have a problem with it. Although, getting searched at a football stadium is better?

I would say no but i dont go to football games. Government agencies are suppose to uphold the law within constitutional limits. Youy can't be governed by agencies that think their power runs unguided and unchecked by the very laws that stem from the constitution. They are not exempt from the laws any more then a cop is exempt from following traffic laws.

What we have going is the same principle. Cops speed, disregard turn signals, and all kind of shit but is it legal for them to do that without a legal reason? No it isn't but they do it anyway. Is it leagl going by the constitution for TSA to search people without probable cause? No it isn't its a flagrant violation that is overlooked by many. Don't get me wrong im not picking on cops I am simply using one law enforcement agency as an example of how laws do not always get followed by those that are paid to enforce them and i know perfectly well average people break those same traffic laws.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

And people who work at old navy dont get employee discounts? And people who work at mcdonalds dont get free food? Blah blah blah lol....It's not like I'm out there intentionally not using my turn signal, or driving 5 mph over on purpose. Im a human, and thats what humans do. Are you saying that you follow every single law to a T, even the small ones? Your point is an over exageration trying to prove a misguided theory.

TSA is not breaking any laws by searching people. You have shown me that you clearly do not understand what "probable cause" means, or even the definition of a "search" so you really cant say they are "searching" without "probable cause." I would not sit here and try to justify things the Marine Corps or military does, or what thier laws are, because frankly I do not know. Does the Marine corps break the law on occasion? I'm sure they do.

And obviously, by your lack of knowledge of what ACTUALLY goes on at airports now adays, I'm really puzzled of why you are even so concerned about it? I suggest you fly more, or apply for a job with the TSA

So the arguement comes back to probable cause and search definitions for you.

Probable cause is more then suspision and less then evidence it takes for a conviction. So what probable cause do they have for searching everyone or if it makes you feel better everyone that they do search?

A search means examination of a person’s body, property or other area which the person would reasonably be expected to consider as private. So how does a scanner not fit that criteria? How does their jerk off the passenger pat down not fit?

So quit trying to act like you know the definition better then me and answer the questions. I mean lets face it they are pretty basic legal definitions that a kid can pick up on watching tv.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Well...I have the complete serious of Law and Order if thats the case...Sounds like you need to keep watching. The outside of your clothes would not be considered "reasonable place of privacy" Inside your pockets? Yes, reasonable place of privacy. Thats why a "frisk" is not a "search"

The full body scanner, is nothing more than a glorified metal detector, except now, it looks for items that are not metal (hence plastic explosives). As to what probable cause they have to "search" someone, I have no Idea, I'm do not work for TSA. But I can tell you, if for some reason they see something on a full body scanner, or Xray machine, that is considered suspicious, that right there is more than enough probable cause. It's more than a suspicion, because they actually see it, and its less than evidence, because they dont know exactly what it is....yet....

Death, lol, I'm really not trying to argue with you...because frankly...you have no reasonable argument. I'm not "acting" like I know the definition better than you do....I know for a fact I know it better than you do, because that single explanation of what PC is, is....well...my fucking job.

Stick to the Marin Corps, and thank you for your service to our country. (<--All jokes aside, I seriuosly mean that)

So your retort basically is the "I know more then you defense". Lets get something straight right of the bat. I barely watch tv and when i do its house, fringe, and channels like the discovery channel.

I am starting to doubt you understand the concept of a search and or frisk. The outside of your clothes would made it is visible to anyonre walking by. So there is no need of any type of search. When you start a pat down or frisk search and yes thats what it is called a frisk search the object of it is to try and find objects not visible to the naked eye prior to the frisk search.

A full body scanner is much more then a big metal detector. I have no issues with walking through a metal detector. However a body scanner is a big xray machine that takes a picture of you as if you have no clothing on. You do see the difference there dont you? The problem now becomes you were searched prior to any reasonable suspision of having anything. Not all that long ago a search meant you had to phsycally touch someone or something to complete it but we have advanced from that at this point in time. We now have the capabilty to do a complete body search without laying a single finger on someone and that is what these scanners do.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Oh yea...I'm going to jack off to that right now....


Death...I say again...Stop watching the news...and go live your life man...there is so much out there in this beautiful world

IT haas nothing to do with being sexual in nature but im sure someone out there kicks a kick out of it. I live my life so dont worry about me. I like how you ignored the questions though. Can you look at that picture and see why it falls under the catagory of a search?