Thread: Should government control electricy?

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I haven't checked specifically in Florida, but I am willing to bet the government does not own any electricity generating equipment, which means they will have to buy some, or buy the labor and materials to build some. Based on their track record of buying habits, ie $300 wrenches and toilet seats, what leads you to believe they would be more frugal when it comes to electric generation?

Following your logic of the government selling things many texans were sold on the idea that we should install some toll highways. The proposal was that the tolls would pay for the construction in 20 years, then they would be removed. Guess what happened? The tolls went up over the 20 years, then when the 20 years was up we were told the tolls were still necessary for repairs and new roads, oh, and they would continue to increase. Sounds like the same complaint you have about your private electric company.


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I understand your point on what the government pays for things. I've seen it first hand and its worse then you think it is. However that doesn't change what they sell things for. The government didn't put all the water pumps, lines, and the rest of the garbage when they took over the sales end of it. The government has the right to just take the buildings and everything else as a fair price in the best interest of the public. Now what determines it to be fair is suggestive but this is something they do all the time. Eminante domain is a catch all for this type of stuff.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I would love to have a lower power bill. However i can afford my bill and base my opinion on whats best for everyone. In times like these it becomes more about what others need then what you or i want from the system. Im suggesting free electric or anything like that. Just a power bill that people shouldn't have to struggle to make the payment or decide that no power is better then no water.

Isn't that the thought process of every other program currently being shoved down our necks? So we should socialize:

Fuel
Water
Power
Medical
Groceries
and any other necessity........

I will pass on the government having that much control over my existence.

That is a slippery slope you are going down.

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Isn't that the thought process of every other program currently being shoved down our necks? So we should socialize:

Fuel
Water
Power
Medical
Groceries
and any other necessity........

I will pass on the government having that much control over my existence.

That is a slippery slope you are going down.

What slope? If you haven't noticed we rolled down that hill already. What we have to do now is start making decisions on whats best for everyone and not the pockets of politicians and big business. Every item on your list is already controled, has a program, or heavily regulated by the government to begin with.

Originally Posted by dex71

Back in the day, the same logic was applied to the privately owned bus company here. Within a couple of years, they turned a profitable business into a loser. Now the same company loses millions a day. Gov't ownership isn't always the best answer.

And think about what you are saying DG. "However that doesn't change what they sell things for". They make up for the loss with tax money. It's our money.......and just because your tax statement doesn't say "_____$ to make up for the loss of the electric co", doesn't mean you aren't paying it. The gov't doesn't have ANY money....it's all ours, and doesn't appear by magic.

I agree not everything works out as planned but the government isn't taking a loss on water or gas. They are taking a beating in medicare and sosial security but thats as much our fault as it is theirs. Personally i feel the government should run certain items such as water, natural gas, sewage, and power. I would even let a medical system go into effect if it was done properly. Of which is not what we have going on right now waiting to kick into effect.

I agree with you the government has no money and it is ours. However its all of ours not just the ones that can afford to bitch about it. Our system does not work as it stands. The theory is sound but the practical application was completely off base. We could easily sustain all items listed without issue but cutting back on stupid shit.

Defensive is one that could use some cut backs. However triggers way is way off base. You dont cut it in half and say deal with it. You start making realistic bid for shit. We would save billions on defense just by shopping at sears for christs sake and thats truely sad.

They can operate the company at cost(which isnt a good idea) or above cost and produce profit for future repairs and or additions. Just by doing that your bill will be reduced from its current point. Progress energy had a reported 154 million dollar profit margin 4th quarter of 2010. So there is plenty of room for give and take on this.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Why you having a hard time keeping up? Should we make the font bigger for you as well?

LOLUMAD.

Originally Posted by Toker

LOLUMAD.

Why would i be mad at you telling civil to speak slower? Thats a reflextion on you not me. Plus i highly doubt you have what it takes to make me made. I'm far to passive to be worried about it.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Right, so your electric company made 150+ million last quarter. What that tells me is if you pushed deregulation you could start your own company, cut their prices by 25%, capture a large chunk of their market, and clear 50+ million. Free enterprise at its finest. Not only that by taking my path we avoid any new taxes, and any new government employees. Win/Win!!


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Wouldn't it be nice is life was as easy as that. I think you have your head in the clouds or buried in the sand because you know damn well how much money those companies dump into politicians. Not to mention that the president of progress energy just happens to be on several boards in florida government.