Thread: Ready for another failed stimulus?

here is a list of tariffs from the EU, Japan, China, and USA. compare your heart out:
Trade Profiles

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Yes and no. It doesn't matter what kind of plant you have they do rely on the oil industry. Some more then others for obvious reasons. However every power company has a fleet of vehicles and those companies aren't going to take the hit when it comes to increased fuel costs. Electric cars are not where near where they would need to be to replace those trucks. Then you have all the plastics and greases that come from petro products. Many homes run on natural gas which comes from the same place.

One way or another you will pay for oil whether you like it or not. They are not going to sit back and watch their 5 billion per quater just go away. As the demand drops they will cut back supplies to increase price. That is how they do business.

Plenty of times someone has come up with ways to put fuel economy over 70 mpgs. Yet those products are not here. Why do you think that is? You dont honestly think the auto industry and the oil industry never talk do you? Whats good for one is good for the other and they know this.

However i understand your point but it lacks a complete thought on the entire system and thats the problem we have. Its not just one company that would feel the effects of massive changes and they know this in washington. Making a massive over night change would disrupt our entire system. You simply cant make 196 million cars in just this country obsolete over night. It has to be done over time. Plus electric cars are not at this time a viable option. They are getting better but far from a solution.

You're right, an over night change would be pretty drastic and not very smart. An electric car would be a viable option for those daily drives to work/grocery store/school/etc, people who only drive around 100 miles per day in your typical family car. Oil companies may not own any car manufacturing companies but they certainly are the hand of god when it comes to what car companies manufacture. I don't want to sound like a hippy but don't have a choice, GM's Electric Vehicles were taken off the roads because it was proven that only almost everyone could use one, thats a lot of money out of the oil companies pockets. The only way to build truely reliable electric cars is to also design the infrastructure needed to operate them, this could help create jobs across the US and possibly reach to other countries. Again, it is something that takes a lot of time, commitement, money, and the ability to be released from the grasp of the oil companies.

But automotive aside... what does one do to create more jobs and help get the country out of a huge debt? The more I read about Obama the more I learn about what he hasn't done... almost anything. George Bush is turning out to have been a better president than I thought...

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Um... what? The unemployment spike occurred in late 2007 to early 2008, while Bush was still President, at least a year before Obama took office, and it began dropping 9 months after Obama took office, and shortly after his major stimulus plans took effect. I don't agree with everything about the stimulus, but it did work to turn around the job loss.

Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

Sorry, I meant Bush was a better president in a more general sense, not that he did anything to help unemployment(not sure what he did, if anything). Anything I find on Obama isn't very special, he's a good public speaker I suppose, thats about it. Living in Canada the majority of what I've heard on the radio/television about George Bush was always something to do with how stupid he was and what kind of an idiot chokes on a pretzel. It's always gay hippy left-wing douche bag trash talk. But with Obama it's mostly this "lets hold hands and be thankful that people are like becoming totaly super awsome and accepting, like omg". Getting tired of the same crap and all praise that was put on Obama. Sure, he's helping, but not as much as I thought.

Originally Posted by VinDeagle

Sorry, I meant Bush was a better president in a more general sense, not that he did anything to help unemployment(not sure what he did, if anything). Anything I find on Obama isn't very special, he's a good public speaker I suppose, thats about it. Living in Canada the majority of what I've heard on the radio/television about George Bush was always something to do with how stupid he was and what kind of an idiot chokes on a pretzel. It's always gay hippy left-wing douche bag trash talk. But with Obama it's mostly this "lets hold hands and be thankful that people are like becoming totaly super awsome and accepting, like omg". Getting tired of the same crap and all praise that was put on Obama. Sure, he's helping, but not as much as I thought.

That might have been true a year or two ago, but people are pretty critical of him these days. That said though, there's a difference between failing to meet some very lofty expectations, like Obama has, and crashing and burning as spectacularly as Bush did. Bush was a terrible, terrible president. We'll be feeling the negative effects of his presidency for years to come, and he deserves all of the mockery he receives.

That tariff chart is scary. No wonder we are down to what a 5% manufacturing base?

#1 - How do you propose we "make" people overseas drive our vehicles?
#2 - As wicked mentioned, the workforce is cheaper overseas and would be even more sensible to have any american cars to be sold overseas, manufactured overseas anyway
#3 - Exactly who gets a job boost from this? I'm pretty sure Europeans driving our cars, wouldn't get me a better job. Nor would building roads for that matter. I am no where close to working in either of those fields.