Rick Perry is a raging idiot.

**Thorsen** · 08-24-11, 01:49 PM

Hmm but what Mafioso said is correct. There are LOTS of things science does not know yet. But science isn't in the business of guessing or making things up. The best thing a scientist can say is "I don't know"

Is there an afterlife? I don't know. Is there a god? I don't know. What is the meaning of existence? I don't know. And I will continue to not know until the day that evidence is brought to the table regarding these things.

We have to learn that it's okay to not know. It's scary not knowing, but it's exciting too.

**MaFioSo** · 08-24-11, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by space.cowboy

Pending circumstances, the brain is still very much alive and, to a degree, active when your heart stops beating and you cease breathing (aka you're clinically dead). Obviously research into this area would be highly controversial, but its not a huge stretch to imagine any information stored in the brain during this state would likely be unintelligible, leading to those sensations of "euphoria" or seeing the "bright light."

Yea I agree with that, and I watched "Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman" and that was their explanation. I am not a very religious person but I just don't like how other people act as if they have all the answers. As for religion, if there is a different level of consciousness science would not be able to analyze it. Science is constantly evolving and science may have a different explanation for the life on earth in the future. Again, science can't even answer the most basic question. What is the origin of life? Science can prove that we evolved but cannot prove how we first started.

**SmokenScion** · 08-24-11, 01:53 PM

Can we all adorn our Pasta Strainers for a Prayer?

"Oh Great Spaghetti Monster in the Sky! Who came down Eons ago from a Distant planet to adorn us with Linguini and Ravioli. Amen"

**MaFioSo** · 08-24-11, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Thorsen

Hmm but what Mafioso said is correct. There are LOTS of things science does not know yet. But science isn't in the business of guessing or making things up. The best thing a scientist can say is "I don't know"

Is there an afterlife? I don't know. Is there a god? I don't know. What is the meaning of existence? I don't know. And I will continue to not know until the day that evidence is brought to the table regarding these things.

We have to learn that it's okay to not know. It's scary not knowing, but it's exciting too.

Yea that's what great about science, it's not biased. All of the conclusions are brought by facts, evidence and logic. And if doesn't have an answer yet it doesn't just make one up.

**CivilWars** · 08-24-11, 01:55 PM

IMO when theory C I at least partially based on theory B, which can't actually be proven or disproven, which is based on theory A, which also can't be proven or disproven, then I can see why there may be doubts about theory C.

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**Thorsen** · 08-24-11, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Yea I agree with that, and I watched "Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman" and that was their explanation. I am not a very religious person but I just don't like how other people act as if they have all the answers. As for religion, if there is a different level of consciousness science would not be able to analyze it. Science is constantly evolving and science may have a different explanation for the life on earth in the future. Again, science can't even answer the most basic question. What is the origin of life? Science can prove that we evolved but cannot prove how we first started.

What is the origin of life? Science has answered that question. If you mean instead "What is the origin of existence or reality itself." Then you would be correct that it has not been answered, but you'd certainly be wrong to call that "The most basic question." In fact I would contend that is perhaps the single most difficult question ever posed.

Keep in mind that while there are questions still unanswered by science, scientists are still the ONLY people actually trying to answer them. We will continue to learn about our natural world and our origins over time. Perhaps one day in the very distant future this insane reality will finally make sense.

**triggerhappy2005** · 08-24-11, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Edit: Also remember that scientist once thought the earth was flat.In a thousand years from now scientist may or may not have a different explanation for life on earth. And actually the origin of life on earth is yet to be discovered.

This is misleading. You're implying that 'scientists' in the past used the scientific method to ascertain that the Earth was flat. Thats' not true. They thought the Earth was flat because they were unaware of the scientific method and were operating from ignorance.

**WickedTribe** · 08-24-11, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

+1, however there are still some big questions that have not been answered. Also religion is not scientific and science can not explain for it. They other day I watching a show called "I survived beyond and back". The show is about people that have had literally died and comeback to life. From what I watched most of them had been legally dead (heart stopped) anywhere from 5 - 20 minutes. In their narration of the events most of them speak of entering a another world, seeing a bright light, have a feeling of ecstasy, etc. Whats also interesting is that many of their stories have a lot of similarities. So how can science account for this?

With questions like this, I always apply Occam's razor. What's more likely, that this is the hallucination of a degrading brain, or that magic exists? The fact that we can't explain something isn't in and of itself support for magic.

Also remember that creationism is not believed by all religions. There are other religions such as Buddhism, who do not contradict evolution or the study of science. Just remember that science can only measure, evaluate and test things in are life but that doesn't mean that their isn't a different level of consciousness.

Catholicism also recognizes evolution as fact. As for other levels, and the supernatural, when I see evidence of either, I'll consider it.

Edit: Also remember that scientist once thought the earth was flat.In a thousand years from now scientist may or may not have a different explanation for life on earth. And actually the origin of life on earth is yet to be discovered.

Well, flat-earthism predates the scientific method, so this isn't really true, but yes, science has gotten it wrong in the past on many, many occasions. The wonderful thing about science though, is that it adapts its explanations to the facts, it doesn't demand that facts fit with its explanations, like dogmas. If data contradictory to evolution ever arises, then the theory will be amended or discarded, but even if evolution were completely falsified, that wouldn't be evidence for "god did it" or "magic."

**HeavyG** · 08-24-11, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Bullshit. We are a country that was largely built on a belief in god. Its not my perspective but its in everything since 1776. Science was used as a tool for advancement.

We also used to believe in witches and would conduct witch tests by throwing women into the water. If they ended up drowning, they weren't a witch. If they could swim... A WITCH! We also used to try to heal the sick by "blood letting".

While we are not as stupid as we used to be 240 years ago, we are still pretty darn stupid sometimes.

**Thorsen** · 08-24-11, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

IMO when theory C I at least partially based on theory B, which can't actually be proven or disproven, which is based on theory A, which also can't be proven or disproven, then I can see why there may be doubts about theory C.

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You say that, but I doubt it's what you REALLY think. In other words, you don't practice what you preach. I bet you that multiple times just this week, maybe even this day, you've told somebody something as a matter of fact.

In everything we do as modern humans we utilize scientific theories and knowledge. You wouldn't jump off a cliff because you accept the theory of gravity. You wouldn't sleep in a furnace because you understand the affect that extreme heat will have on the molecules which form your body. People are perfectly comfortable with science, with the laws of nature and the way things work. People aren't bothered by using scientific knowledge to improve the comfort and efficiency of their existence... up until they get to the theory of evolution.

Suddenly when presented with this well-founded theory (Which has arguably MORE evidence behind it than gravity) they become stone-faced skeptics.

Why is it you accept science up until this specific theory? And why is it that religions feel so threatened by it? Evolution has nothing to do with HOW life was created. That is an entirely different theory. Evolution is not incompatible with most religions.