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**deathgodusmc** · 09-13-11, 02:13 PM

Besides what does an all powerfull, all seeing, all knowing, all encompassing being like god need with my paycheck? Couldn't he just blink a couple billboards up on where to send the check if he needed it? Would he not WANT the church to pay taxes to help with programs for the needy? Why would he be upset at me owning a boat in his absences? We cant all part the seas be waving our hands. If he truely exsists why did he allow his son to posses a robe much less his deciples paper and pencils.

To many holes in that book for me. If he wanted me to believe im pretty sure he could tell me. I dont need church flunkies banging on my door trying to recruite me.

**AetheLove** · 09-13-11, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Dont believe in god? They'll beat on your door every week until you do. Atheists dont run around preaching any word. So i find it hard to believe that an atheist has been rude out of the blue to a religious person. I can believe it once the conversation has been started but i highly doubt an anthesis is going to randomly bring up god in a discussion.

Yeah, but Richard Dawkins is doing his best to make up for the majority of live-and-let-live atheists.

Also, I think Wicked brings up a good point. Can we all agree to hate billboards, no matter who is using them to annoy or preach?

Cheers,

AetheLove

**Sosiego** · 09-13-11, 02:55 PM

What exactly are you taking jabs at, deathgod? I'm confused here.

If you're taking jabs at prosperity theology (e.g. the Word of Faith movement) that's one thing. If you're taking jabs at the Biblical doctrine of giving to designated avenues (e.g. local church, charities, etc.) then that's a different thing. I don't remember there being any Biblical mandate to give your entire paycheck to a designated avenue, a Biblical mandate not to own a boat, etc.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-13-11, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by AetheLove

Yeah, but Richard Dawkins is doing his best to make up for the majority of live-and-let-live atheists.

Also, I think Wicked brings up a good point. Can we all agree to hate billboards, no matter who is using them to annoy or preach?

Cheers,

AetheLove

Im with you there i fing hate billboards.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-13-11, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sosiego

What exactly are you taking jabs at, deathgod? I'm confused here.

If you're taking jabs at prosperity theology (e.g. the Word of Faith movement) that's one thing. If you're taking jabs at the Biblical doctrine of giving to designated avenues (e.g. local church, charities, etc.) then that's a different thing. I don't remember there being any Biblical mandate to give your entire paycheck to a designated avenue, a Biblical mandate not to own a boat, etc.

Im just taking shots in general about the holes in the entire thing. As an example.

Romans 13:8-10

Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. ⁹For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." ¹⁰Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Im curious as to how this applies to credit cards, auto loans, and home loans.

Luke 12:33

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

Why should i sell my boat and car when the pastor has no problem driving a mercedes?

I could go on but you get my point.

**PvtPrivate** · 09-13-11, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. For every billboard like this,

there are 100 like this,

or this,

And guess which of those signs resulted in more bunched up panties?

I've never had an atheist come up to my door while I eat, or approach me on the street, to preach to me about atheism. I've never been told that I was evil or going to hell by an atheist. I've never had politicians try to force atheism into laws (and no, separation of church and state isn't atheism). Atheist messages haven't been added to my pledge of allegiance or my money, and they don't try to replace the science in school with atheists myths.

In a Gallup poll, 33% of Americans said that they viewed Atheists "very unfavorably," and 92% of Born Again Christians think that the impact of Atheists is negative. 48% of Americans said that they wouldn't vote for an Atheist. Gallup Polls & Other Surveys on American Attitudes Towards Atheists - Over 40 Years of Research Show Atheists Are Despised, Distrusted

You are almost proving my point.I did not try to insult or offended you.I stated that not all Atheist act that way.I just stated my opinion.You insulted me and tried to devalue my simple opinion.You can post as many bill boards,TV ads,clips of radical Christians as you want but in every day ,person to person discussion I don't see any Christian Oppression.The vast majority of both religious and Atheist are apathetic towards other's beliefs.But there is a small group that spews out hate on both sides.I want to make this clear I am not attacking all Atheist,I have several Atheist friends who could care less about all of this.I am merely pointing out that some Atheist are extremely hypocritical on this issue.It pisses me off when some Atheist act like they are some kind of elite, enlightened,innocent group when they can act just as rudely as any religious zealot.

What saddens me is that I thought this community was mature enough to be above this level,but I can't judge them because I haven't lived there lives.

**Guyver** · 09-13-11, 03:15 PM

There's nothing wrong with giving to a church, but pastors are not supposed to be driving a Mercedes. The pastors around here sure don't drive them.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-13-11, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by PvtPrivate

You are almost proving my point.I did not try to insult or offended you.I stated that not all Atheist act that way.I just stated my opinion.You insulted me and tried to devalue my simple opinion.You can post as many bill boards,TV ads,clips of radical Christians as you want but in every day ,person to person discussion I don't see any Christian Oppression.The vast majority of both religious and Atheist are apathetic towards other's beliefs.But there is a small group that spews out hate on both sides.I want to make this clear I am not attacking all Atheist,I have several Atheist friends who could care less about all of this.I am merely pointing out that some Atheist are extremely hypocritical on this issue.It pisses me off when some Atheist act like they are some kind of elite, enlightened,innocent group when they can act just as rudely as any religious zealot.

See your looking at this all wrong. Thats just how he thinks a conversation is supose to be.

To your point though i do agree. You will find those people in every grouping no matter what the topic is. Just look at the ones that flew to other countries to stand in front of our tanks in protest. Thats a whole new level of fucked up.

**PvtPrivate** · 09-13-11, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

See your looking at this all wrong. Thats just how he thinks a conversation is supose to be.

To your point though i do agree. You will find those people in every grouping no matter what the topic is. Just look at the ones that flew to other countries to stand in front of our tanks in protest. Thats a whole new level of fucked up.

But what angers me is not necessarily the most radical.I have learned to ignore people like that on both sides.What angers me is that they deny their own wrongdoings.Witch we all do at one time or another but it get ridicules at a point.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-13-11, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by PvtPrivate

But what angers me is not necessarily the most radical.I have learned to ignore people like that on both sides.What angers me is that they deny their own wrongdoings.Witch we all do at one time or another but it get ridicules at a point.

I can agree with that. Sometimes you get into a topic and lose track. Others do it deliberately to get a reaction. I'll even step out on a limb and say there are some that really dont give a shit for anything other then the reaction they get.