Obama goes after State dispensaries.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-10-11, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Well I just meant that it is factual evidence. The historic record is fact, and lends evidence to models.

Well if were going to use old ways to prove positive of new ideas or laws then you might find this interesting.

"The Minnesota tax is $3.50 on the sale of each gram of marijuana and $200 a gram for heroin and other narcotics. And the tax stamps are emblazoned with the state seal. Texas has stamps that sport a skull-and-crossbones--with Drugs or Tax written across the face."

"In the end, the tax does not bring in very much revenue. Minnesota has collected only $1.7 million in taxes and penalties from drug dealers over the last five years--out of a total of $35.6 million in confiscated drugs--barely enough to pay for running the program."

NARCOTICS : Dealers May Find New Drug War Tactic Very Taxing : States are placing levy on illegal sales. Failure to pay it can lead to huge penalties if traffickers are caught. - Los Angeles Times

Going by that taxing narcotics will barely pay for the program regulating it.

**619summon** · 10-10-11, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I’ve read lots of articles right now...all pointing to MJ being the MEXICAN drug cartels’ cash cow.

im in san diego most of the stuff i see is meth, herion and pharms.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-10-11, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Cocaine has been the cash cow for the cartels since the 70’s, but I’ve read it's consumption has declined since the 1980’s....by a lot. Are we positive MJ represent only 15-26% of the drug cartel’s income?

"A hard core group (see the chart)estimated at between 5 and 6 million have more serious drug habits, and may spend $100-$500 dollars a week on purchasing their drugs. These two groups - hard core users and casual users - spend approximately $60 billion dollars a year, according to U.S. government estimates."

Read more: Special Reports - Do The Math - Why The Illegal Business Is Thriving | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

"What keeps the drug industry going is its huge profit margins. Producing drugs is a very cheap process. Like any commodities business the closer you are to the source the cheaper the product. Processed cocaine is available in Colombia for $1500 dollars per kilo and sold on the streets of America for as much as $66,000 a kilo (retail). Heroin costs $2,600/kilo in Pakistan, but can be sold on the streets of America for $130,000/kilo (retail). And synthetics likemethamphetamine are often even cheaper to manufacture costing approximately $300 to $500 per kilo to produce in clandestine labs in the US and abroad and sold on US streets for up to $60,000/kilo (retail)."

Read more: Special Reports - Do The Math - Why The Illegal Business Is Thriving | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

According to this site in the year 1998 these products made the following in billions.

Cocaine 39
Herion 11.6
MJ 10.7
Meth 1.5
Other 2.3

Thats 65 billion for the year.

**Red_Lizard2** · 10-10-11, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Well if were going to use old ways to prove positive of new ideas or laws then you might find this interesting.

"The Minnesota tax is $3.50 on the sale of each gram of marijuana and $200 a gram for heroin and other narcotics. And the tax stamps are emblazoned with the state seal. Texas has stamps that sport a skull-and-crossbones--with Drugs or Tax written across the face."

"In the end, the tax does not bring in very much revenue. Minnesota has collected only $1.7 million in taxes and penalties from drug dealers over the last five years--out of a total of $35.6 million in confiscated drugs--barely enough to pay for running the program."

NARCOTICS : Dealers May Find New Drug War Tactic Very Taxing : States are placing levy on illegal sales. Failure to pay it can lead to huge penalties if traffickers are caught. - Los Angeles Times

Going by that taxing narcotics will barely pay for the program regulating it.

except that is the same as banning guns, you are taking faith that the criminals who already break laws, will actually follow the law.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-10-11, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

except that is the same as banning guns, you are taking faith that the criminals who already break laws, will actually follow the law.

Exactly my point to begin with.

**Xavsnipe** · 10-11-11, 02:22 AM

You see how much the cocaine consumption has declined since the 80’s according to your article? that’s about 50%.

The Mexican drug cartels don't produce heroin that I know of. Let me see if I can find some statistics on the current consumption of these two (mj and coke)

**Xavsnipe** · 10-11-11, 02:40 AM

the article also mentions huge drug cartel profit margins...substituting their product with higher quality at a lower price (US home grown MJ) would devastate the MJ production of drug cartels.

**SmokenScion** · 10-12-11, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Exactly my point to begin with.

It adds Tax evasion to the long list of penalties already. Not like its actually set up to regulate anything.

**619summon** · 10-12-11, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

You see how much the cocaine consumption has declined since the 80’s according to your article? that’s about 50%.

The Mexican drug cartels don't produce heroin that I know of. Let me see if I can find some statistics on the current consumption of these two (mj and coke)

mexican black tar is all we get around here smells from gasoline to rotten milk, its very dense almost hard candy like. eastern imported tar is much mor light in color much softer and very sweet n vinagar smell. ive never seen any white power types just in movies.