Are people inherently stupid?

**Pint** · 10-29-11, 09:01 PM

What your highlighting is more predominate on the right then on the left. What really is going on with this is people like to think they have the "real American" line on any issue they hold, and if someone has an opposing view of this "real American" line then the other is not really an American. Look at all of Ann Coutlers book titles, treason, slander, godless, guilty, Demonic. Your either a patriot (a real American) or your a pinnhead (lacking the smarts to be an American) The left argues points, attempts to reason presents backing facts and evidence for an issue, but you will rarely hear them say "Well your just a Godless, unAmerican, treasonous shithead for thinking that way"

A close cousin to this is the "well I'm right, and if you can't see why I am right, just leave you don't belong"

**Fovezer** · 10-29-11, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

To you its just a piece of cloth with pretty colors on it. To others myself included its the symbolisim of freedom, courage, and honor. Many have died for that flag and it isnt something that should be taken so lightly as hanging it upside dow or burning it for protesting something you dislike. There are plenty of other ways to protest that dont included shaming everyone that died for that flag. Personally i think it should be illegal to desicrate the flag and the person that does it disgraces themselve in my eyes.

Just because that's what you feel the flag symbolizes doesn't mean everyone else shares your view. Others view the flag negatively, and that's their right. If they want to desecrate it, that's also their right. Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it should be illegal. As an example, I see the Confederate flag as a symbol that represents racism and treason. Others will contend that it is a symbol of southern pride and states' rights. But I'm don't want to ban that flag no matter what I think of it.

**DR.F33LG00D** · 10-29-11, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Pint

What your highlighting is more predominate on the right then on the left. What really is going on with this is people like to think they have the "real American" line on any issue they hold, and if someone has an opposing view of this "real American" line then the other is not really an American. Look at all of Ann Coutlers book titles, treason, slander, godless, guilty, Demonic. Your either a patriot (a real American) or your a pinnhead (lacking the smarts to be an American) The left argues points, attempts to reason presents backing facts and evidence for an issue, but you will rarely hear them say "Well your just a Godless, unAmerican, treasonous shithead for thinking that way"

A close cousin to this is the "well I'm right, and if you can't see why I am right, just leave you don't belong"

I'm pretty tired or I'd probably find a clear answer, but, are you siding with I said on this?

Also: fuck Ann Coulter.

**DJ Ms. White** · 10-30-11, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by DR.F33LG00D

I'm pretty tired or I'd probably find a clear answer, but, are you siding with I said on this?

Also: fuck Ann Coulter.

+1 I'd fuck her, too...oh, nvm...I get what you're saying now.

**LuckyDucky** · 10-30-11, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

To you its just a piece of cloth with pretty colors on it. To others myself included its the symbolisim of freedom, courage, and honor. Many have died for that flag and it isnt something that should be taken so lightly as hanging it upside dow or burning it for protesting something you dislike. There are plenty of other ways to protest that dont included shaming everyone that died for that flag. Personally i think it should be illegal to desicrate the flag and the person that does it disgraces themselve in my eyes.

Our soldiers are dying for a symbol?!?!?! ......didn't know that.

I was under the impression those soldiers were dying for the American people's freedom's and rights, for their families and friends back home. All those people who can not ever be represented by some dirt or land called "America" or a flag. Because you can't simply clump together 300 million people and have them all be "symbolized" by one flag.

That's why I thought that the soldiers didn't fight for some flag or land. Rather for the people there, and what the people represent and believe in. And currently a lot of those people don't really believe in America or it's systems anymore... does that mean the soldiers don't fight for them anymore, or never have because they are busy fighting for a symbol that actually no longer appears to symbolize those AMERICAN people...?

**deathgodusmc** · 10-30-11, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Just because that's what you feel the flag symbolizes doesn't mean everyone else shares your view. Others view the flag negatively, and that's their right. If they want to desecrate it, that's also their right. Just because you don't like that doesn't mean it should be illegal. As an example, I see the Confederate flag as a symbol that represents racism and treason. Others will contend that it is a symbol of southern pride and states' rights. But I'm don't want to ban that flag no matter what I think of it.

Exactly why i phrased it the way i did.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-30-11, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by LuckyDucky

Our soldiers are dying for a symbol?!?!?! ......didn't know that.

I was under the impression those soldiers were dying for the American people's freedom's and rights, for their families and friends back home. All those people who can not ever be represented by some dirt or land called "America" or a flag. Because you can't simply clump together 300 million people and have them all be "symbolized" by one flag.

That's why I thought that the soldiers didn't fight for some flag or land. Rather for the people there, and what the people represent and believe in. And currently a lot of those people don't really believe in America or it's systems anymore... does that mean the soldiers don't fight for them anymore, or never have because they are busy fighting for a symbol that actually no longer appears to symbolize those AMERICAN people...?

You have 2 options at this point. Either you need me to break it down to you letter by letter or you can pull your head out of your ass.

**flame** · 10-30-11, 09:40 AM

Do you know what a symbol is...?

**LuckyDucky** · 10-30-11, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You have 2 options at this point. Either you need me to break it down to you letter by letter or you can pull your head out of your ass.

Oh so now you're offended... that's cute. If you feel the need to break it down letter by letter then it's your own fault for not being clear in meaning.

Because here is how I saw your post. You said:
1) The flag symbolizes freedom, bullshit, etc. (therefore the flag is a SYMBOL)
2) Many soldiers have died for that flag. (so they've died for a SYMBOL)
3) You think it's offensive... blah blah blah irrelevant stuff... Followed up by suggesting a certain practice be outright BANNED. (that's right you want to take away the people's right to burn a flag, and then you tell ME to pull my head out of my ass, cute)

Not to be offensive or anything, but I genuinely feel bad for anyone who dies for something as volatile and open to interpretation as a cloth symbol for "freedom". Every single veteran that I've had the pleasure of talking to, or listening to speeches from, or reading about. Has always said that they are fighting for the people back home, and THEIR freedoms. Not for some symbol, or some ideal, but for the people back home. Something tangible and actually important.

Would those veterans be HAPPY that those same people are burning the flag? I'm sure they wouldn't be... but i'm also sure that the freedom to burn that flag is MUCH more important than the flag itself. So if the flag symbolizes anything, then it's the people's freedom and right to burn the damn thing.

People's freedoms > a piece of cloth with pretty colors on it that symbolizes freedom

**LuckyDucky** · 10-30-11, 03:22 PM

On the topic of the OP.

People aren't inherently stupid, the majority of people ARE stupid. But that doesn't mean they are all born irreparably stupid though.

That being said, I'm not entirely sure what you were trying to accomplish by replying to that Facebook post. Facebook isn't exactly the cultural epithet for "enlightened center of reasonable discussion and concourse". If you were looking for a real discussion on Facebook about a controversial topic then you just found out why you shouldn't be looking for a real discussion on Facebook...