Are people inherently stupid?

**deathgodusmc** · 11-01-11, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

So if I call two Marine friends, and my 3 family members that have over 50 years of combined Naval service, and all 5 tell me you are wrong then will you admit it, or will you just accuse them of knowing less than you?

I would preffer to hear it from them but make sure you ask your marine friends if it was in fact taught to them. In this case it would not be me being wrong. It would be my training that was incorrect if it came down to that but i have been wrong in the past on things. As for them knowing less then me that will probably remain true as my wife says im a plethera of worthless knowledge.

**Warprosper** · 11-01-11, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

What branch of service?

AF

**deathgodusmc** · 11-01-11, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

AF

Why would a self contained unit need another branch setting up comms when they have their own trained personel?

**Warprosper** · 11-01-11, 04:42 PM

Well the marines we worked with at this particular base were no where near capable of setting up this equipment.
So I would imagine that it is safe to say that Marines are not 100% self contained. Especially since most of the Marines network backbone is supported by JWICS and the Airforce.

**deathgodusmc** · 11-01-11, 04:49 PM

The Corps are a self contained unit. We have an mos for everything. If you had said it was new equipment or something i could go with that but to say they were not capable of setting up equipment i have to call bs. I've seen af guys get stationed on bases with me and get paid hard ship pay for being there and ive been stationed on af, navy, and army bases for various reasons. What i have never seen is a branch station people because no one on that base could do the job.

**Warprosper** · 11-01-11, 05:01 PM

They were not capable to do this due to clearance and training reqs. We can argue all day on how the marines are not self contained in everything but you will just disagree as usual. Oh I almost forgot ... I provided you some knowledge of mine on the flag pole... Where is yours? No proof yet?

It's ok though Death.. I along with many others have dealt with this type of attitude. You are a Marine... You are told something by a book or a superior... You believe in what was said/taught.... You can not be proved wrong unless you are proved wrong by another Marine...You will sell your beliefs to non-marines and expect them to swallow it without asking questions..

So I ask you once again.. Where is your proof that those 3 items exist... or are we expected to believe every piece of bs that you spit out? You are not a preacher...especially in this case. You are clearly wrong, others have proven it and yet you still find ways to try and justify "It's not me that's wrong"

**deathgodusmc** · 11-01-11, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

They were not capable to do this due to clearance and training reqs. We can argue all day on how the marines are not self contained in everything but you will just disagree as usual. Oh I almost forgot ... I provided you some knowledge of mine on the flag pole... Where is yours? No proof yet?

It's ok though Death.. I along with many others have dealt with this type of attitude. You are a Marine... You are told something by a book or a superior... You believe in what was said/taught.... You can not be proved wrong unless you are proved wrong by another Marine...You will sell your beliefs to non-marines and expect them to swallow it without asking questions..

So I ask you once again.. Where is your proof that those 3 items exist... or are we expected to believe every piece of bs that you spit out? You are not a preacher...especially in this case. You are clearly wrong, others have proven it and yet you still find ways to try and justify "It's not me that's wrong"

Well lets see i give you what i was trained and read in print and you give me your story of working with flag poles. Yet somehow yours is proof and mine isnt? No one has proven anything which includes myself. So dont be to quick to pat yourself on the back becuase you havent proven anything.

Then you want to make a remark about my attitude when your is exactly the same just sitting on the other side of the fence. Nice try but try that bullshit with someone else cause it dont fly this way. Shit only runs downhill and the field of play so far has been level.

I am alittle curiour about these clearence and training reqs that appearntly no one at a Marine Corps air station seemed to have.

**Veovis** · 11-01-11, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You not having the understanding doesnt make something ludicrous or backwards. Why you dont understand why the flag is the ultimate symbol of patriotism is what baffles me. I truely think you dont know all that goes into it. Let me give you a military standpoint on how valuable the flag is. Did you know the ball at the top of every flag pole on every base contains 2 items? If the base is over run you are required by military law to climb the pole and remove the ball and flag. Then you remove the matches and burn the flag and use the round to kill yourself. Now why would they go thru all the trouble for that if the flag was nothing more then a piece of cloth with pretty colors on it?

What if two people are left alive, which one gets the honor of putting the flagpole round in his head? does the other guy wrap himself in the burning flag?

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**deathgodusmc** · 11-01-11, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Veovis

What if two people are left alive, which one gets the honor of putting the flagpole round in his head? does the other guy wrap himself in the burning flag?

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That was never discussed in bootcamp but we joked about it later. Personally i dont think anyone would have done it as required. If it ever came to that i would rather shot one of them and let them finish me off. Why inflict the final blow when you can take a few with you.

**CivilWars** · 11-01-11, 05:15 PM

First, I hope none of our bases/forts are ever overrun, but to be a fly on the wall when that last Marine drops the flag and doesn't find jack nor shit in the finial. Then what? LOL.