NBA 2011-2012

**kibner** · 01-26-12, 11:03 PM

How are the Thunder an exciting team to watch when half their games are spent shooting free throws? The Suns gorilla mascot is probably the best in the league. The dude owns. Jazz were from NOLA but moved. Why they kept the name, I'll never know.

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**kibner** · 01-27-12, 09:30 PM

Hornets win felt so damn good. Great time at the arena tonight.

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**Red_Lizard2** · 01-29-12, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

So we should hate the Thunder because OKC will support a team when other cities won't?

Nothing to do with support, as much as everything to do with owners strong arming cities into paying to build arenas every damn ****ing time. Seattle, and later the people of Seattle, didn't want to have to foot the bill for another stadium, so the owners took the team and left. There is also some more scandals with the move as well, I haven't gotten to watch this (just learned about it) but supposedly shows some of those:
sonicsgate.org

Also, apparently when the new owners bought the Sonics, they did it with intent to move them Oklahoma City, they were basically just looking for a reason to move the team. Shit, Seattle has some of the best attendance for MLS GAMES, I have a hard time believing they couldn't get a ton of support, especially with the team the Thunder have.

**CivilWars** · 01-29-12, 08:45 AM

That is like saying you want to have the best omelet, but you don't want to break any eggs. For sports teams to be competitive they have to have good stadiums and TV deals. To get a good stadium they ask the city to help, since the city will also benefit. I can understand a city not wanting to cooperate, but don't blame the team when they want to move because of it.

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**Morningfrost** · 01-29-12, 10:20 AM

Teams also have the responsibility to stay profitable, so that they can bring in new revenues to remain competitive in the long run as well. The fact that the owners thought they could make more money in a smaller market with a new stadium than in the larger market with decent attendance indicates just how bad their previous stadium was.

**CivilWars** · 01-29-12, 10:26 AM

The funny thing is look what happens when the team leaves. In many cases the city approves a new arena/stadium, and gets another team.

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**Morningfrost** · 01-29-12, 05:25 PM

Well yeah, once the team actually carries through on the threat and leaves, the only options the city has left is to just do without a team (which can hurt local economy) or do what's needed to entice another team to move there.

**Red_Lizard2** · 01-29-12, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

That is like saying you want to have the best omelet, but you don't want to break any eggs. For sports teams to be competitive they have to have good stadiums and TV deals. To get a good stadium they ask the city to help, since the city will also benefit. I can understand a city not wanting to cooperate, but don't blame the team when they want to move because of it.

They ask the city for help because THEY don't want to pay for a stadium (they are money pits, pure and simple). They could of easily built there own stadium, hell they probably have more money then whole city of Seattle. But then they have to deal with something that *shock* isn't profitable, and why do that when we can just force taxpayers to foot the bill for whatever the fuck we want, or just leave and give them the middle finger.

**CivilWars** · 01-30-12, 12:03 AM

I could care less how much money they have. If you were in the same position you would do the same. Jerry Jones just paid for over half of his big ass stadium, and I am sure Paul Allen has paid plenty.

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**kibner** · 01-30-12, 11:44 AM

My Hornets got their first blowout win of the season against Orlando on Friday. Hooray!

We then had our first blowout loss last night, against Atlanta.

Hope the game against Miami tonight is better.

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