Thread: March Madness

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Baloney...you're telling me you like watching Florida up 30 on Norfolk state right now? Cinderella's are just that...."stories". The media likes them..that's it. When you're talking straight basketball and competition, no one wants a 15 seed beating a 2 in the first round, then losing to Florida by 30 with 12 mins left in the game. It's a joke.

And Florida couldn't of beat Mizzou the same? Doesn't matter what happens in the next round, it isn't about who the media or fans want to bumfuck, its about who wins the game, and if you can't beat a team you should be everytime, then you can't bitch and moan. You want Mizzou/Duke in the 2nd round or later? Tell them to not go shit themselves when they play some 15 seed next time. Its why they play the games, if you can't win, you don't deserve to be in the next round, end of story.

Oh and current scores:
Lehigh 52, Xavier 60
(10) Purdue 36, KU 30

Of course the Purdue result shouldn't matter because KU is allowed to go straight to the elite 8 without a win since they are the "better" team. If they lost by 40 it'd be fine for them to go ahead right? Since a 10 seed surely couldn't play better then a 2, no the 1-4s are the best teams in the world, they'd beat the Heat by 200 if they played! they shouldn't have to prove they can actually wins the games they are supposed to (especially when it counts).

10 seed Purdue is completely different from FIFTEEN SEED NORFOLK STATE. I understand it's about whoever wins on THAT day, but if you think Mizzou/Florida would have been the same game of Norfolk State and Florida, then you're kidding yourself and being disingenuous.

Just because you love to be a contrarian doesn't mean the rest of the country wants to see a wasted second round game with a 34 point thrashing.

Purdue comes out of the Big Ten, a conference that sent Michigan, Mich state, Ohio State, etc... to the tourney. Norfolk is from the MEAC conference....BIG difference.

Go look at my link....how many double digit seeds do you see make it to the final four? VERY RARELY do they make it. Chalk is chalk because those teams have the assets to not be a one done school and miss the tourney for the next forty years. They can win one game and win the next and the next and the next...not get a fluke win, then take it up the ass by 34 the next game to a 7 seed.

If teams like Duke lose to shit hole state, then it is what it is, but to think the quality of competition is better for having Cinderella stories is asinine.

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

10 seed Purdue is completely different from FIFTEEN SEED NORFOLK STATE. I understand it's about whoever wins on THAT day, but if you think Mizzou/Florida would have been the same game of Norfolk State and Florida, then you're kidding yourself and being disingenuous.

Just because you love to be a contrarian doesn't mean the rest of the country wants to see a wasted second round game with a 34 point thrashing.

Purdue comes out of the Big Ten, a conference that sent Michigan, Mich state, Ohio State, etc... to the tourney. Norfolk is from the MEAC conference....BIG difference.

Go look at my link....how many double digit seeds do you see make it to the final four? VERY RARELY do they make it. Chalk is chalk because those teams have the assets to not be a one done school and miss the tourney for the next forty years. They can win one game and win the next and the next and the next...not get a fluke win, then take it up the ass by 34 the next game to a 7 seed.

If teams like Duke lose to shit hole state, then it is what it is, but to think the quality of competition is better for having Cinderella stories is asinine.

Again how do you know? It is a team that lost to a 15 seed, unless you are saying Florida is worse then Norfolk St. If they can't beat a team they should beat every single day of the week, in the biggest tournament of the year, then I'm sorry it wouldn't be better if they made it over a 15 seed who obviously showed up to the game.

Again, basically "OMGZ Mizzou bettars, so dey should play no matter if they suckorz and losz!" Oh and "Small conference schools suckorz cuz dey no big!! (VCU and Butler, though mid-majors, still would have something to say about that)" This isn't College Football, there is actually talent at smaller schools (i.e. the Bonnies came close against Florida State, large part because they have Andrew Nicholson. Robert Sacre (Zags), Doug McDermott (Creighton), Scott Machado (Iona), C.J. McCollum (Lehigh), Drew Gordon (New Mexico), Ray McCallum (Detroit). Those guys are all on DraftExpress top 100 prospects from the tournament non-BCS schools. There are others that are good players, like Casper Ware (who doesn't make it due to his size). If you actually watch the games, a lot of these teams can play as well. Shit, Lehigh was close to being the first sweet 16, 15 seed. Imagine what Detroit, a more highly thought of team, could of done. But hey, I'm sure a team like Ohio is terrible because they play in the MAC, no matter who they beat in the tournament *rolls eyes*

You can't prove that things aren't better, again if Duke loses to a 15 seed, they aren't very good. Before this year only 4 15 seeds ever won in the first round. The odds heavily favored Duke to make it to at least the 2nd round. Again, if they can't win the game they are supposed to, then they don't deserve to be in the 2nd round. Again, who knows, Duke could of gotten blown out by Xavier as well (hell I had them losing to ND if ND won).

Cinderella's and upsets are what makes the tournament interesting for most folks that don't have a routing interest in any of the teams. Shit, just look at the crowds in any upset, pretty much all the neutral fans turn into fans of that school. To say people hate them is way off-base imo.

Oh and just because Purdue is in the Big 10, doesn't mean they are good, there is a reason they were a 10 seed. Also, I like how only one game is what matters (OMG Norfolk got thrashed, so what? that hardly means they shouldn't of been there. The MSU/St. Louis game wasn't great to watch either, does that mean Memphis should of been in there instead?)

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Originally Posted by AetheLove

What's better than playing the games? Should we not have a tournament?

A 5- or 7-game series helps control for the odd loss by the "better" team, but you can't do that in college.

Duke lost. On that day, they weren't better. Maybe they had an off day, but I say you gotta come ready to play when it counts. It's not like you forget that it's single elimination.

The whole point of the process is to find out who the best team is (or, arguably, the best four teams). Duke isn't it. Neither is Mizzou. If they'd lost those games in the regular season they wouldn't have been seeded so high. What does it matter where the not-best-four-teams get sorted out?

Are you saying that if an 8 seed (at least 28 better teams in the tournament) wins the Championship they're not really the best team?

Cheers,


AetheLove

this, this, and this 1000x over. They played, Duke lost, and thus Lehigh was better. Duke was better on paper yes, but they didn't get their shit done, got beat, and no I wouldn't want them in the next round if they don't go out there and play their A game, EVERY GAME in an elimination tournament (the most important one at that). Same with Mizzou.

Man that IU game hurt last night. But hey, you are playing the number 1 seed in the nation, you shoot 55 percent from the floor, and score over 90 points...what more could you ask for? What a great game...


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