iPhone 5

**HeavyG** · 09-15-12, 04:10 PM

I dislike Google, but I like my Android phone. I am afraid to say anything bad about Apple's garbage products as I fear getting sued. I like Microsoft, but their phones suck.

That being said, I have the Droid Charge, and I really see no reason to upgrade to anything in the near future. I have found that spot where my phone does everything I need it to do.

**ninja|oaklandr** · 09-15-12, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by AetheLove

I think there were good reasons to change it, and good reasons to not go microUSB.

The new connector has more conductors than mircoUSB- so can do more. It's not just for charging. The new connector can deliver more power than microUSB. That doesn't matter for an iPhone, but does matter for larger devices (iPad). The new connector doesn't need to be oriented one way - there is no "up". The microUSB has a top and a bottom, and you have to check and align them before inserting. Is that a big problem? Not for me, but (and believe me, I don't really understand it) lots of people I know seem to have trouble with it - to the point where I know two people who have broken the connection by trying to force it the wrong way.

You mention your father and his stereo. I wasn't saying that customers won't be inconvenienced. Of course some of them will. If you've invested in 30-pin connectors all over your house, office, and car, and you also get a new iPhone, then that sucks. But... if you've already got an iPhone, and you use it to play music in your house, office, and car... then what's stopping you from continuing to do that? If you go buy a new iPhone, you get the new connector. Seems like now you have a phone, and an extra iPod Touch (your old phone) that you can keep synching with your library along with your new iPhone.

... and were you serious when you said your father will probably buy an entire new stereo because he's going to also buy a new iPhone? Dude... can I have your father's old stereo? If he's just going to buy a new one rather than buy an adapter I'm pretty sure he'll be giving the old one away for free. Please put me on the top of the list. Since he also seems to think that his old iPhone will be dead when he activates the new one, please send me that too. I'll pay shipping.

My brother has the same deal as your dad. He's got a nice Harman Kardon A/V receiver. He bought the special HK "iPod" docking doohicky. He hardly ever uses it. If he gets a new iPhone, I doubt he'll replace the dock. In his car, there's no dock or wire. It's just bluetooth. Start the music, set the phone in the console. Lots of people do it that way. I'm a big lover of wired power and wired network, but that's old school.

Shit, I'm a big lover of not ever changing the connector. Rather than get rid of the keyboard(s) I love, I bought P/S2-to-USB converters (not adapters).

Still, I think a new connector was a good idea. In some ways, I'm surprised it took so long. Is Apple going to make some money on adapters for the new connector? Almost certainly. Eventually there will be third-party choices. But I don't think they made the change just to screw with customers. I also don't think they changed the shape just to sell a few cases.

Cheers,

AetheLove

The problem is the new connector has not control pins anymore. This means you have to change songs on the ipod not the dock stereo. In my car when you plug in an ipod I can control it with my stereo and steering wheel controls. Now that feature is lost and I will have to hold my ipod and control it that way. This is with or without the adapter from my understanding.

Oh well I don't know why I care so much. I will still have my Galaxy. Now if Samsung has to change shit because of that lawsuit it will suck.

**Adretheon** · 09-15-12, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by AetheLove

I think there were good reasons to change it, and good reasons to not go microUSB.

The new connector has more conductors than mircoUSB- so can do more. It's not just for charging. The new connector can deliver more power than microUSB. That doesn't matter for an iPhone, but does matter for larger devices (iPad). The new connector doesn't need to be oriented one way - there is no "up". The microUSB has a top and a bottom, and you have to check and align them before inserting. Is that a big problem? Not for me, but (and believe me, I don't really understand it) lots of people I know seem to have trouble with it - to the point where I know two people who have broken the connection by trying to force it the wrong way.

You mention your father and his stereo. I wasn't saying that customers won't be inconvenienced. Of course some of them will. If you've invested in 30-pin connectors all over your house, office, and car, and you also get a new iPhone, then that sucks. But... if you've already got an iPhone, and you use it to play music in your house, office, and car... then what's stopping you from continuing to do that? If you go buy a new iPhone, you get the new connector. Seems like now you have a phone, and an extra iPod Touch (your old phone) that you can keep synching with your library along with your new iPhone.

... and were you serious when you said your father will probably buy an entire new stereo because he's going to also buy a new iPhone? Dude... can I have your father's old stereo? If he's just going to buy a new one rather than buy an adapter I'm pretty sure he'll be giving the old one away for free. Please put me on the top of the list. Since he also seems to think that his old iPhone will be dead when he activates the new one, please send me that too. I'll pay shipping.

My brother has the same deal as your dad. He's got a nice Harman Kardon A/V receiver. He bought the special HK "iPod" docking doohicky. He hardly ever uses it. If he gets a new iPhone, I doubt he'll replace the dock. In his car, there's no dock or wire. It's just bluetooth. Start the music, set the phone in the console. Lots of people do it that way. I'm a big lover of wired power and wired network, but that's old school.

Shit, I'm a big lover of not ever changing the connector. Rather than get rid of the keyboard(s) I love, I bought P/S2-to-USB converters (not adapters).

Still, I think a new connector was a good idea. In some ways, I'm surprised it took so long. Is Apple going to make some money on adapters for the new connector? Almost certainly. Eventually there will be third-party choices. But I don't think they made the change just to screw with customers. I also don't think they changed the shape just to sell a few cases.

Cheers,

AetheLove

You and my uncle are one in the same. You're meticulously arguing the point cause it's Apple. My dad(and me as well) isn't the kind of person to want to connect an adapter to his media player then connect it to his stereo. You've yet to say what more it can do9other than make me pay an extra 20-30$ more for some bullshit, that I shouldn't have to pay for). You only said it "gives more power" Micro-usb also streams audio and video. The new feature on the nokia 920(which is micro usb) is that it streams video via the Micro-usb port. What more can the new apple connector do?

It's the same reason why I can't understand why Apple hasn't moved to wireless charging or NFC(which is the main thing that blew my mind about the Iphone 5). Less cords/connectors to worry about when using item "X" is better. Apple's selling point has always been about the idea of ease of connect-ability. You could buy any Apple product and use any other Apple product to connect to it. Without extra cables, without connectors, without trouble. Now they are changing the only thing that sets them apart from other phones. A new connector makes it something different from what they have been selling.

With any other product that would be a good thing to go in a different route, but Apple has always been about their "kernel." About the Idea that your Ipad, your Iphone, your Itouch, your Apple Tv, and your Imac can all connect without having to have, or know, any more than what you already do with your current item. And to change from that, from a consumers point of view, is retarded.

**Adretheon** · 09-15-12, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

The problem is the new connector has not control pins anymore. This means you have to change songs on the ipod not the dock stereo.

And if that's the case it adds to my point. there's no reason for the change from the consumer point of view.

**ninja|oaklandr** · 09-16-12, 10:22 PM

lol

**Alundil** · 09-17-12, 11:21 AM

And in other news, Samsung says "orly?"

We'll cut chip production....and release a newer, faster, bigger Galaxy S 4......haha - take that

**Adretheon** · 09-17-12, 11:51 AM

**AetheLove** · 09-17-12, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

You and my uncle are one in the same.

The ladies love him too?

Originally Posted by Adretheon

You're meticulously arguing the point cause it's Apple.

Nah. I'm doing it because being meticulous is a fault of mine.

My original point was that this new connector will suck for both consumers and third party manufacturers, but mostly the later. That's pretty much exactly what I said. That was based on my (limited-in-scope) experience that most people don't invest deeply in smart-phone infrastructure. They get a phone. It comes with a charger. They get a new phone. It has a new charger. Most people are much more likely to begin integrating the various pieces of kit when they can do it wirelessly. Connectors suck. Running cables sucks. [I am, admittedly, less excited about wireless. I like cables. It's a quirk.]

Apple make it easy to wirelessly stream your tunes all over your local net. You can also do it by physically moving your iPhone from one dock to another - though docks and iPods are very much the last-gen way of doing it.

Apple earns money either way.

Originally Posted by Adretheon

My dad(and me as well) isn't the kind of person to want to connect an adapter to his media player then connect it to his stereo. You've yet to say what more it can do9other than make me pay an extra 20-30$ more for some bullshit, that I shouldn't have to pay for). You only said it "gives more power" Micro-usb also streams audio and video. The new feature on the nokia 920(which is micro usb) is that it streams video via the Micro-usb port. What more can the new apple connector do?

It's the same reason why I can't understand why Apple hasn't moved to wireless charging or NFC(which is the main thing that blew my mind about the Iphone 5). Less cords/connectors to worry about when using item "X" is better.

I thought that article from AnandTech spelled it out pretty clearly. There were trade-offs to make in terms of what went in. It's a small package. Wireless charging is another thing to put in. NFC is another thing to put in. More chips, more antennae - and they had already decided to not add a third cellular antenna, which means you can't do simultaneous data/voice on Verizon (yet).

Originally Posted by Adretheon

Apple's selling point has always been about the idea of ease of connect-ability. You could buy any Apple product and use any other Apple product to connect to it. Without extra cables, without connectors, without trouble. Now they are changing the only thing that sets them apart from other phones. A new connector makes it something different from what they have been selling.

With any other product that would be a good thing to go in a different route, but Apple has always been about their "kernel." About the Idea that your Ipad, your Iphone, your Itouch, your Apple Tv, and your Imac can all connect without having to have, or know, any more than what you already do with your current item. And to change from that, from a consumers point of view, is retarded.

Apple have done this before. They stuck with SCSI for a while, and then abandoned it. Their iPods used to be Firewire (which I liked), but outside a few niche markets Firewire never caught on. Mac users had it, but it was rare for Windows machines, and so they switched to USB and made iTunes for Windows (I still have a dual USB/Firewire-to-30pin cable). They switched to the Mag-Safe charger, and all the old chargers wouldn't charge the new MacBook Pros.

I'm a nerd for these sorts of mobile devices, but Gumby is right and his advice that arguing is silly is dead on. I'm up for discussing the ups and downs of the various choices, but arguing is usually not helpful. Honestly what mostly draws me into these threads is the Apple haters. I don't love Apple. I think they make competitive products, and I like to see them evaluated for what they are. They're a good solution for some people.

Cheers,

AetheLove

Edit: you still haven't said if I can have your dad's old stereo and iPhone.

**Adretheon** · 09-17-12, 12:32 PM

I don't think he'll be getting one haha. He just got a touch for...something...and has yet to activate it. He still uses his old hard to read nano.

As for me, most everyone in my family has Apple, and my uncle would get a divorce if they came out with a sex robot. And for the most part, not one of them can tell me why Apple is better than any other product. They go straight to the business standpoint. Best line is "Apple is the number one selling phone, but no they don't make good products." Honestly though, they don't. Up until the iphone 5 they looked like bricks, had shitty cameras, terrible speakers, and the worst battery life I've ever seen(look at the two images I've posted, the Nokia 920 comes out late Oct, and it's already a better equipped phone). The IOS is ugly, boring, and outdated. There's hardly any customization in the phone itself. All of their "innovations" are things that other phones have been doing already, and the only reason people call them "innovations" is cause Apple is doing it. And don't even get me started about the apps. They may have the most apps, but 75% of them are the same re-hashed app over and over again cause Apple has 0 measures in place to stop that from happening. Some idiot sells the same crappy game for 1$ and they see profit, and that's all that matters.

ok, I'm done haha. end of rant, my point is if people buy Apple phones cause they like the Apple thing then good for them(the sheep hah) but other than that I don't see why anyone would buy one when there's 10X better and more user friendly phones.

**Alundil** · 09-17-12, 12:45 PM

And patent disputes remain, in what appear to be the vast majority of cases, inane wrangling over minutia.

“I hate it,” Wozniak said when asked about the patent fights between Apple and Samsung. “I don’t think the decision of California will hold. And I don’t agree with it -- very small things I don’t really call that innovative.
“I wish everybody would just agree to exchange all the patents and everybody can build the best forms they want to use everybody’s technologies.”

Apple