Where have ethics gone?

**Manse** · 09-16-07, 10:00 AM

I don't hate hippies and liberals. I hate stupid people. Stupid, selfish people are worse. These people are stupid and selfish.

But as a side note:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkc99

That's disgusting, if I die, please please please don't take my sperm.

Someone sig that.

**CBRob** · 09-16-07, 10:33 AM

So, if it's OK to use his sperm to have a baby while he's in a coma and will most likely never recover, then I guess it's OK to impregnate a woman in a coma to have a baby? If he doesn't have to consent, then she shouldn't either if the tables were turned.

Also, I guess the Taxpayers will be supporting this single mom by way of Social Security Benefits because the father is most definitely disabled and if he dies the child will be eligible for survivor benefits.

Great, another single woman actively trying to have a baby out of wedlock with no intention of spending her life (or the baby's life) with the father. That's just what we need to teach our children.

What a fucking joke our legal system has become.

**SapiensErus** · 09-16-07, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by CBRob

So, if it's OK to use his sperm to have a baby while he's in a coma and will most likely never recover, then I guess it's OK to impregnate a woman in a coma to have a baby? If he doesn't have to consent, then she shouldn't either if the tables were turned.

That is a double extra creepy idea

**Red_Lizard2** · 09-16-07, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Originally Posted by MaBell37

Asianator, you need to keep in mind, it's not just liberals. It's anyone in a position of power, pretty much, that ends up doing whatever the hell they want to do.

MaBell,

THANK YOU!

I have seen so many posts in these forums referring to "hippies" and "liberals" as a source of trouble. I am willing to bet most here would consider me a hippy or a liberal. But I feel like I am a pretty damn stand up American. I love my country, and I respect the position of my countrymen on the other side of the line. We all have access to freedom in this great country, and that is one of the greatest things about being an American.

I have run across SO many posts with attacks on liberals, hippies, etc.. without basis. I have honestly wanted to respond to many posts about political and social topics but I felt my opinion would be flamed by unfounded attacks on my "liberal" point of view. Due to this fear, I do not stretch my wings and be free; I keep my mouth shut (my keys are silent).

As far as the topic of this thread: I think that it's somewhat wierd and disturbed; however it is the natural inclination of an organism to reproduce and replicate it's DNA. I think the dude would want his son/daughter to be born and continue his lineage. I would want my lineage to continue; although I would have reservations about not being there to instill my beliefs and knowledge unto my offspring. It's a pretty tough call for me.

and all of those by asianator :P

**...bigdog...** · 09-16-07, 01:50 PM

As a geneticist......I say let the parents choose.

of course, its' not like he woudl have laid claim to his sperm in his will, if he had a will at all.

pretty far stretch to grant the parents.

it's quite common for minors that go under chemo (male 12-18 year old minors) or radiation treatment in cancer to "donate" their sperm for future use, since the treatment has a high incidence of damaging their reproductive capabilities, or causing defects in their sperm.

12 year old boys, being told to masturbate, or being electrically stimulated, if not surgically harvested for sperm, as advised and approved by their parents and physicians.

sounds crazy....but if it was you and yours....and you knew the future conseuqences of being under such a treatments, I bet you'd recommend the same for your son/daughter (they do it for eggs as well).

**RocketMan_2007** · 09-16-07, 02:19 PM

That's a family matter and no other person has a right to make that moral decision for them. The family should know the best course of action because they likely knew the man better than anyone else.

As for the conservative vs. liberal debate, I think the guys who make South Park summed it up the best. In one episode regarding the debate on the war in Iraq, it was decided at the end of the episode that we need both parties. The conservatives like to kick ass and defend the country from invaders and the liberals make it look like the country cares about the rest of the world so other countries don't think we're a bunch of assholes that like to have wars. It's all about balance. We need both to survive.

**...bigdog...** · 09-16-07, 02:22 PM

nothing's better than the "dicks, pussies, and assholes" speeches of "Team America: World Police".

Nothing makes it clearer than that.

**RocketMan_2007** · 09-16-07, 02:29 PM

Actually, you're right ...bigdog..., I forgot about that one. It's amazing how intelligent Trey Parker and Matt Stone are. I mean, they explain things in laugh-out-loud funniness but it also makes so much sense. I love their work.

**asianator365** · 09-16-07, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by RocketMan_2007

That's a family matter and no other person has a right to make that moral decision for them. The family should know the best course of action because they likely knew the man better than anyone else.

As for the conservative vs. liberal debate, I think the guys who make South Park summed it up the best. In one episode regarding the debate on the war in Iraq, it was decided at the end of the episode that we need both parties. The conservatives like to kick ass and defend the country from invaders and the liberals make it look like the country cares about the rest of the world so other countries don't think we're a bunch of assholes that like to have wars. It's all about balance. We need both to survive.

You are right. We need both to survive. But right now we need a little less of one side (looks left) and a little more of the other (looks the other way).

**SEJ300** · 09-18-07, 10:05 AM

I know this post won't help the debate much but I have to confess that the first thing that came to mind when I read Bacon's post was the Monty Python's song "Every Sperm is Sacred" from the movie Monty Python's The Meaning of Life.

To see the lyrics of this song, check out the link below. Not the funniest of their songs, but it is humorous.

http://www.serve.com/bonzai/monty/so...ySpermisSacred