National ID cards

**Rooster050** · 04-20-08, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Cnet news

In a vote that largely divided along party lines, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a Republican-backed measure that would compel states to design their driver's licenses by 2008 to comply with federal antiterrorist standards. Federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to everything from airplanes to national parks and some courthouses.

The congressional maneuvering takes place as governments are growing more interested in implanting technology in ID cards to make them smarter and more secure. The U.S. State Department soon will begin issuing passports with radio frequency identification, or RFID, chips embedded in them, and Virginia may become the first state to glue RFID tags into all its driver's licenses.

info on the "Real ID Act"
http://www.dhs.gov/xprevprot/laws/gc_1172767635686.shtm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOQgerd0m2g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCU2OJPZ4AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grth7eRg9NA

Very Interesting... What are your thoughts?

**JBMCW2010** · 04-20-08, 01:14 PM

I support a form of National ID, however the one that has been put forward for 2011, I am not supporting.

The states have also said no to this. It was a piggy backed law and 13 states have already flat out denied to continue this. Also an additional 17 are in the way of creating legislation against the IDs as well.

**astrod00d** · 04-20-08, 01:15 PM

Why not? The upside is a lot bigger than the downside in my opinion.

**MotoZ** · 04-20-08, 01:20 PM

Screw that ID card. No good can come of it.

**Rooster050** · 04-20-08, 01:21 PM

Part of the concern I have with the national ID cards is, the RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chips that will be implanted on them... Isn't that what they give to people on house arrest? I voted no.

**nsRaven** · 04-20-08, 02:03 PM

An RFID chip is not the same thing as the house arrest. My Navy IDs have it and RFID is no different than putting a magnetic strip on a card. You can't read the strip unless you actually run it through a reader and you can't read the RFID chip unless you actually place it at least an inch or so away from the reader.

I'm not opposed to a National ID, we already use our driver's license and social security number for everything else. The problem I have with it though comes with putting it into law. If we're using it like we do with the forms of idendification we already have, maybe merge and replace some of them, then fine. Anything more than that though at this time doesn't get my vote.

**draco7891** · 04-20-08, 02:04 PM

People on house arrest get GPS transmitters, in a stylish black ankle band. RFID is the technology behind things like those big square sticker patches in music CD's, or the immobilizer system in your car. When the tag passes through a magnetic field (those big towers you walk through to get into the store), the tag is energized and emits a coded signal that can be read.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government explicitly provided the right or capability either to issue or regulate identification, nor do I, as a strict interpreter, feel that it will reasonably provide for the welfare of the US. It's another attempt to keep the bureaucracy in business, to scare-monger an imaginary threat that will simply "vanish", if only we had better ID's.

We created this problem, and it's our crappy foreign policy that got us here today. Maybe we should be spending our time and effort on trying NOT to screw up anything else, instead of restricting the rights and privileges of our own citizens (since we seem to have run out of international targets).

Draco

**Rooster050** · 04-20-08, 02:57 PM

Ok, so its not entirely like a GPS system, but it does omit a radio frequency that is able to be scanned or traced. Why do I need to be scanned? What crimes have I committed? If their reasoning for a National ID, is so that Terrorist can't bored airplanes.... Then they won't... Terrorists have found more then one method to cause tragedy... Madrid & London. No commercial airliners were involved in these attacks. So, really how much safer will a national ID card make us?

**ninja|oaklandr** · 04-20-08, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by nsRaven

An RFID chip is not the same thing as the house arrest. My Navy IDs have it and RFID is no different than putting a magnetic strip on a card. You can't read the strip unless you actually run it through a reader and you can't read the RFID chip unless you actually place it at least an inch or so away from the reader.

RFID doesn't not need to be passed by a scanner at a few inches. It can be read at 30 feet. It can also be read in moving vehicles.

If it has RFID I say fuck no. More invasion of privacy.

**Drax1970** · 04-20-08, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by nsRaven

An RFID chip is not the same thing as the house arrest. My Navy IDs have it and RFID is no different than putting a magnetic strip on a card. You can't read the strip unless you actually run it through a reader and you can't read the RFID chip unless you actually place it at least an inch or so away from the reader.

I'm not opposed to a National ID, we already use our driver's license and social security number for everything else. The problem I have with it though comes with putting it into law. If we're using it like we do with the forms of idendification we already have, maybe merge and replace some of them, then fine. Anything more than that though at this time doesn't get my vote.

Actually the RFID chips are more powerful than that. I knew someone who was working with the implementation of the chips and Walmart. Walmart is instructing its vendors (can't remember when the date of start up will be) that they need to start using the RFID chips in their packaging. 1. To cut down on theft. 2. To make it easier to track down items misplaced within the store by customers. and 3. To make store inventory a gazillion times easier. This tech has been around for at least 10 years now if not longer, and if it has a chip, it doesn't need to be scanned/swiped, its signal can be tracked.

as far as our government using them.. I'd say no. Who knows what kind of things techies will come up with to abuse the system. Besides within a week of being activated in the general population, fake ones would start popping up, basically wasting the time and (our) money of implementing such a system.

Brings a possible whole new meaning to identity theft!