Thread: The war in Iraq...again

Originally Posted by Glock

Fuck the UN. Basically, any organization involving the French has absolutely no say when it comes to anything involving wars, battles, or any kind of fight. Not unless there's another Napoleon Bonaparte, anyway.

But personally, I think we need to just carpet bomb the entire middle east (possibly Israel, too), since I honestly think that entire area has become to god-ridden to be redeemable. They're all so concerned with whose little imaginary friend in the sky is more powerful that they're all killing each other and will never change anything. Just hit the damn reset button already.

Or just a nice, big nuke...

atleast it would scare the living SHIT out of NKorea......

We help Israel in many ways. there is a good chance they wouldn't be here if it wasnt for us. Israel isn't a terrorist country.

Now as far as just wiping that part of the world of the map. We would be killing millions of innocent people which makes us no better than Sadam or Binladin.

Originally Posted by asianator365

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

personally, I say fuck the U.N.

OORAH!

I mean honestly, couldn't agree more. The UN needs the United States, more than the United Sates needs the UN. When the shit hits the fan and military force is needed, who carries 80-90% of the load, we do. Then, they turn right around and blame us for every other conceivable global problem, don't back us in our decisions, then bad mouth us when we do what we feel needs to be done. I know it sounds cocky, but, it's true. Quite frankly, other than israel and maybe britain, I couldnt give two shits what anyone else thinks, especially france and germany.

Hopefully I don't piss anyone off too much, but here ya go.

Originally Posted by Walkerxes

The people they're telling they can't have such capability are the types of govornments who've no compunctions against strapping a bomb to their wife and putting her on a bus. Or stealing a plane and crashing it into a sky scraper... and the govornments who support such people.

...and normally we as a planet are ok with them, so long as their killing their own people.. saves us the trouble. But they crossed the line and came across the lake... and that was their mistake.

Iraq never attacked US soil, and had withdrawn from Kuwait years prior. Pwnt

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

If we want a high government, we'll vote to support putting a world-wide government in place....the UN is basically like the Articles of Confederation as far as powers go...

It IS nice to have somewhere for the world's countries to DISCUSS big issues...but the U.N. should not have ANY authority to tell others what to do.

Whereas unvoted, largely unsupported might makes right? What is the US doing in Iraq? Installing a new government, and telling other nations what to do, I think. Pwnt

Originally Posted by TheBenDude37

Well to tell you the truth I don't know why the UN told us not to go to war.WE WERE ATTCKED!!! I guess the UN are mainly people with no LIFE.I don't know.

As previously stated, Iraq never attacked. Nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Pwnt again!

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

when we give the U.N. power to tell us what to do, we are saying we recognize a power greater to us than our own constitution...

where would the U.N. power's line be drawn? environmental and business regulation? gun limitations? or when it outright goes against the constitution and bill of rights?

The U.N. is more concentrated on human rights, international security/law, economic development, and social progress. Your constitution regards your own country, and it fits right in with the UN. The line is in how humanely you treat your people, and how you get along in the larger playground. When you ignore the wishes of other nations, you risk sullying your own reputation.

Pwnt! At least give me a challenge!

Originally Posted by Glock

Fuck the UN. Basically, any organization involving the French has absolutely no say when it comes to anything involving wars, battles, or any kind of fight. Not unless there's another Napoleon Bonaparte, anyway.

But personally, I think we need to just carpet bomb the entire middle east (possibly Israel, too), since I honestly think that entire area has become to god-ridden to be redeemable. They're all so concerned with whose little imaginary friend in the sky is more powerful that they're all killing each other and will never change anything. Just hit the damn reset button already.

Hmmm hatred for the french? Return that liberty statue thing if they truly irk you so.

Kill them all is your best solution... Honestly? Destroy all women and children, along with everyone there that believes in democracy, or shares common values as you? You are endorsing genocide with this statement, which is something America thankfully asserts itself in opposing. Rather than offer any substantial thought, you suggest murder on the largest scale. That, sir, is fucking sick.

Pwnt, and have a nice day!

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

I mean honestly, couldn't agree more. The UN needs the United States, more than the United Sates needs the UN. When the shit hits the fan and military force is needed, who carries 80-90% of the load, we do. Then, they turn right around and blame us for every other conceivable global problem, don't back us in our decisions, then bad mouth us when we do what we feel needs to be done. I know it sounds cocky, but, it's true. Quite frankly, other than israel and maybe britain, I couldnt give two shits what anyone else thinks, especially france and germany.

Lobby to have the UN headquarters removed from New York. Ask your government to remove itself, and it's veto from the security council, and practice the selfish world view you are preaching. Making friends, and keeping them has it's benefits. Israel and Britain are a small portion of a very large world. You are supporting might makes right, which is not morally, or at all intelligently correct.



I hate these damn threads, but keep stumbling back.... :3

I have mixed feelings for the U.N. I like the idea of nations trying to work together to make the world a better place. I like the idea of powerful, civilized, and well established nations trying to help less fortunate nations.

What I don't like is all the talking and imposing of sanctions while the defiant countries thumb their nose at you. How many chances should an irresponsible country be given to disarm nukes, nuclear programs, or WMD's before significant action should be taken to make them. The problem with the U.N. now is that countries like North Korea, Iran, and now Russia is that nobody respects the organization or fears that they will take action against them other than sanctions.

Some people are calling for us to pull out of the middle east...to bring our troops home. Ask anyone high up in the military and they'll tell you that would be a bad move. Ever since we were attacked on 9/11/01 we've been taking the fight to the bad guys. We're not sitting back and defending anymore. We're all about prevention now. If we see a threat to our security or Israel's security, we're gonna address it before that threat becomes reality.

Israel is our little brother. We are a still a Christian nation and they are God's chosen people. Israel is surrounded by Muslim nations who hate them and would love to see them wiped off the map. Israel sits on top of what all Christians and Muslims consider to be the Holy Land. If we left that region, it would give countries like Iran and Syria the opportunity they need to try and wipe Israel off the map as Ahmadinejad has claimed he wants to do. You can say the Iraq war was for oil or for whatever but I guarantee you that it had something to do with taking a radical leader off the doorstep of Israel and planting a new ally right in the middle of the region. We absolutely MUST have a presence in that region if for nothing else than to prevent World War III. If any of those countries decides to go to war with Israel, we all will go to war.

jabberwock, I have nothing wrong with you expressing your point of views...but the whole "pwnt" at the end of each one is downright disrespectful. If you wanna get dirty like that, then fuck you. I don't want people like you on my internets.

Originally Posted by jabberwock

Whereas unvoted, largely unsupported might makes right? What is the US doing in Iraq? Installing a new government, and telling other nations what to do, I think. Pwnt Grin

I'm just wondering....do you think we should take action in Darfur?

If we did, we'd go in, destroy the guerillas and such, end the violence....and then what? just leave no infrastructure to prevent it from happening again?
It's like cleaning up and putting a bandaid over a fucking huuuge gash in your leg. It might look better, and be okay for awhile...but it's still gonna bleed.
You gotta take the time to tourniquet...clean it, and sew it closed so it stops bleeding. give it the support it needs to heal and prevent the blood flow.

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

jabberwock, I have nothing wrong with you expressing your point of views...but the whole "pwnt" at the end of each one is downright disrespectful. If you wanna get dirty like that, then fuck you. I don't want people like you on my internets.

What makes me sad is that he actually thinks he made good points with all that garbage he is slinging.

Nuck