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**MotoZ** · 09-30-08, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by ebaconjr

You seem to have a large amount of disdain for numb-minded, energy-wasting fatasses... any reason?

IMO being a presentable numb-minded, energy-wasting fatass also requires being a redneck. We have many numb-minded, energy-wasting fatasses that aren't rednecks. Unfortunately they travel overseas and represent us.

**Silent_Crow** · 09-30-08, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by ebaconjr

Maybe because we owe the world a few trillion dollars and we haven't built an economy that can pay it back.

Valid point, borrowing ourselves into a bigger hole. Spending more than our revenue. If only a government were run like a business

Or maybe because our education produces some of the numbest minds in the civilized world.

How could you make that statement honestly without some kind of proof or at least an anecdote of you or a friends travels to civilized country X. It sounds like A broad generalization based on your experiences with youth compared with the youth around the world with which you have no experiences.

Or that we use more than our fair share of the world's energy just to move our fat asses around.

We are the most productive nation on the earth, so of course we use the most energy. Well, now China is the most productive, and now they use the most energy.

Maybe its because our health care costs are outrageous and we don't have much, if anything, to show for it in terms of happiness, wellness, and life expectancy.

Health care costs are so expensive because of a number of reasons. Ill let some one more versed in this field get more detailed, but I definately wouldn't want to get sick in any other country than the USA.

**DJ Ms. White** · 09-30-08, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by ebaconjr

I'm liking this Locke guy already.

Labor creates property, but it also does contain limits to its accumulation: man’s capacity to produce and man’s capacity to consume. According to Locke, unused property is waste and an offense against nature.

I'm a fan of Jonathan Swift, but I'm sadistic and have Scottish heritage, so I may be biased in that aspect.

**MotoZ** · 09-30-08, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I'm a fan of Jonathan Swift . . .

Swift knew Bush?

Jonathan Swift

An Essay On Modern Education.

FROM frequently reflecting upon the course and method of educating youth, in this and a neighbouring kingdom, with the general success and consequence thereof, I am come to this determination; that education is always the worse, in proportion to the wealth and grandeur of the parents; nor do I doubt in the least, that if the whole world were now under the dominion of one monarch (provided I might be allowed to choose where he should fix the seat of his empire) the only son and heir of that monarch would be the worst educated mortal that ever was born since the creation; and I doubt the same proportion will hold through all degrees and titles, from an emperor downward to the common gentry.

**DJ Ms. White** · 09-30-08, 01:55 AM

And that's why you're Parma prosciutto; although, I was referring more to the satirical essay on Irish poverty. Ireland has great food and people, but they did have members of my family assassinated. They could have just made us eat haggis. That's punishment in and of itself.

You would've thought we'd have learned our lesson millenia ago with what happened to the Roman emperors after Augustus. In 20-30 years, how much you want to bet Bush's daughters will be running for some form of political office? There should be a rule about that type of thing, but I'm glad there's not. That would be too much law.

**DJ Ms. White** · 09-30-08, 01:55 AM

Nice sig by the way

**MotoZ** · 09-30-08, 02:03 AM

It's amazing how much good stuff is buried in those old philosophy texts. Are high schools teaching any of that stuff? I know mine didn't. It wasn't until I went for undergrad that I got a taste of it, and even then they only required one class.

**DJ Ms. White** · 09-30-08, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by ebaconjr

It's amazing how much good stuff is buried in those old philosophy texts. Are high schools teaching any of that stuff? I know mine didn't. It wasn't until I went for undergrad that I got a taste of it, and even then they only required one class.

Mine is but my old school district sets high standards (60% of students in the Gifted program by the 6th grade before 2012 or something like that). The IQ to get in has been lowered to only about 120. When I got in, it was 130.
I was also in the International Baccalaureate program where we had a class called Theory of Knowledge a.k.a. lots of college level philosophy crammed into one year. I thoroughly enjoyed the class. I believe I was the class Stoic.

**MotoZ** · 09-30-08, 02:30 AM

Damn, Tiger. You must have brains leaking out of your ears. :9 Up through grade school I mostly attended military school. After that I struggled through public high school. The only classes that I excelled in were shop classes. I loved those.

Thanks for the compliment on the sig.

**IceHammer** · 09-30-08, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Silent_Crow

Originally Posted by ebaconjr

Maybe because we owe the world a few trillion dollars and we haven't built an economy that can pay it back.

Valid point, borrowing ourselves into a bigger hole. Spending more than our revenue. If only a government were run like a business

Thats a little bit of an understatement. Try 10 Trillion in debt to the rest of the world. 75% of one years GDP. Every year the Government spends 10% of its 2.5 or so trillion dollar budget on the interest alone of the national debt. You want to cut government spending? Pay back some principle on that ridiculous mess. But no, that can't be allowed, we need to pay for some desert ass kickings instead, and now for investment banker's gaming of the system.