Thread: Obama and Firearm Ban Agenda... this sadens me

Nobody is going to come take away your guns. It was never proposed, and it never will happen. If you own firearms they are safe. If you want to purchase firearms in the future, you will be able to do so, within reasoning of course.

As far as the fable of a "corner store that shoots to defend itself, being less apt to be robbed" is utter horseshit. The liquor store aroung the corner from my house gets robbed at least twice a year. In fact the poor clerk had actually killed a robber about a year and a half ago, they still keep getting held up.........Someone ought to clue the bad guys in on your theory, maybe they'll stop sticking up the nieghborhood bodega.

Scum bags will keep being scum bags, regardless of what laws are passed. Illegal weapons flood into this country on a daily basis, and spread through black market dealings like wildfire. Sure, enacting gun bans might make it slightly more difficult for criminals to get their hands on weapons, but they'll still do it, and in the mean time, sportsmen, firearm hobbyists, and people that just want some form of protection for themselves and/or their families will have a much harder time acquiring those exact same weapons than the criminals will.

Gun bans don't take weapons out of the hands of criminals. They only make it harder for citizens to balance the odds against those criminals.

One thing to remeber is that Obama is a lawyer. That means that when he writes every word has meaning. Lawyers are simply programmed that way.

Below is an excerpt of the Urban Policy section of change.gov, which is Obama's web site for communicating his activites as President-elect. His writings provide insight as to his priorites, i.e. what he will do, would like to do, supports, disapproves, will veto, etc.

My interpretation of his writings is that while he believes in limited gun control measures he also appreciates that it's a divisive topic. He needs cooperation now to solve the financial issues and can;t afford to waste political capital on divisive issues such as gun control and abortion laws.

http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda/

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Crime and Law Enforcement
Support Local Law Enforcement: Barack Obama and Joe Biden are committed to fully funding the COPS program to put 50,000 police officers on the street and help address police brutality and accountability issues in local communities. Obama and Biden also support efforts to encourage young people to enter the law enforcement profession, so that our local police departments are not understaffed because of a dearth of qualified applicants.

Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Supports: America is facing an incarceration and post-incarceration crisis in urban communities. Obama and Biden will create a prison-to-work incentive program, modeled on the successful Welfare-to-Work Partnership, and work to reform correctional systems to break down barriers for ex-offenders to find employment.

End the Dangerous Cycle of Youth Violence: Obama and Biden support innovative local programs, like the CeaseFire program in Chicago, which implement a community-based strategy to prevent youth violence and have been proven effective.

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

Homeland Security
Allocate Funds Based on Risk: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that the president and Congress should direct our precious homeland security dollars according to risk, not as a form of general revenue sharing. To address this pressing issue, Obama introduced an amendment, supported by the Families of 9/11 and former 9/11 Commissioners Lee Hamilton and Tim Roemer, to increase risk-based funding in the 9/11 bill.

Prepare Effective Emergency Response Plans: As our nation witnessed in the Hurricane Katrina crisis and its aftermath, too many localities do not have integrated emergency response plans to handle disasters. As president, Obama will further improve coordination between all levels of government, create better evacuation plan guidelines, ensure prompt federal assistance to emergency zones, and increase medical surge capacity.

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You will know how Obama treated guns at the end of his administration, not before it begins. The Change.gov is a sales pitch and nothing more. An extension of the campaign now that the election is over, or the beginning of 2012.

I have my guns, and there is no way in hell Obama would try to yank them. That is a death sentence for the Dems, and they know it. I would anticipate that they will try to limit magazine capacity, but suspect that if you had it before he hits office, it gets grandfathered in. If you want something, go buy it now.

I have a Glock 20, I believe it holds 16 rounds with one in the chamber. This magazine configuration may be banned in the future, but I doubt that they will mandate I turn mine in. You've got a few months, if you want something go buy it.

I dont see a big issue here.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

As far as the fable of a "corner store that shoots to defend itself, being less apt to be robbed" is utter horseshit. The liquor store aroung the corner from my house gets robbed at least twice a year. In fact the poor clerk had actually killed a robber about a year and a half ago, they still keep getting held up.........Someone ought to clue the bad guys in on your theory, maybe they'll stop sticking up the nieghborhood bodega.

Well that settles it doesn't it?

If you disarm the clerk and he is any better off ? I think that the idea isn't to solve the problem of robbery as a whole, but instead to equip the clerk to handle it by defending himself, whether once or twenty times. If you are quoting some part of this thread or links off of it that claim that arming clerks will solve the problem long term, then do pardon me as I missed it.

Change gears into TTP, TTP admins have banned *A LOT* of people, and it still hasn't solved the problem of Teamkillers and Lone Wolves, so the ban hammer doesn't solve the big problem, lets just do away with it?

The other side of the coin is Washington DC. Handguns were banned in Washington DC. This ban prevented legal residents from defending themselves. This ban did NOTHING to stop criminals from carrying handguns and last summer was a violent summer around these parts. So the theory that banning legal firearms purchases will do anything to reduce crime doesn't hold up where I live.

Ya know, I just realized that Texans are paranoid about loosing their guns.

THEY ARE NOT TAKING YOUR GUNS AWAY. It's ok...just chill.

Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok

Originally Posted by hawgballs

As far as the fable of a "corner store that shoots to defend itself, being less apt to be robbed" is utter horseshit. The liquor store aroung the corner from my house gets robbed at least twice a year. In fact the poor clerk had actually killed a robber about a year and a half ago, they still keep getting held up.........Someone ought to clue the bad guys in on your theory, maybe they'll stop sticking up the nieghborhood bodega.

Well that settles it doesn't it?

If you disarm the clerk and he is any better off ? I think that the idea isn't to solve the problem of robbery as a whole, but instead to equip the clerk to handle it by defending himself, whether once or twenty times. If you are quoting some part of this thread or links off of it that claim that arming clerks will solve the problem long term, then do pardon me as I missed it. See flame quote.


Change gears into TTP, TTP admins have banned *A LOT* of people, and it still hasn't solved the problem of Teamkillers and Lone Wolves, so the ban hammer doesn't solve the big problem, lets just do away with it?Never said this. But I do think there should be more regulations, to try to stem the flow of powerful weapons from falling onto bad people's hands.

The other side of the coin is Washington DC. Handguns were banned in Washington DC. This ban prevented legal residents from defending themselves. This ban did NOTHING to stop criminals from carrying handguns and last summer was a violent summer around these parts. So the theory that banning legal firearms purchases will do anything to reduce crime doesn't hold up where I live.Who said anything about a ban?

If you read the post, I never said the clerk ought to be disarmed. No, it was a retort the the theory that if "such and such store is known to shoot, it won't get robbed." I provided an example to the contrary, that gun ownership and use in this store did not deter any crime.

Originally Posted by flame

You know what happens when store owners shoot and kill thieves, the word gets out not to go there. Same thing in neighborhoods, couple intruders end up swiss cheese, that neighborhood won't have the same troubles again. When we can fight back we prevent crime. Let the body count pile up, that stops crime.

Yep I did miss it. My bust.

I do tend to agree with flame, but your anecdote about the local store seems to throw that idea off at least on your block. Maybe its the size of the neighborhood or the level of crime in the area. My take on it is arm the clerk and if he has to kill a robber every week, so be it.

The response about regulating more powerful weapons, do you mean in terms of firepower, capacity, or what? I think its the piddly little 9mm semi autos that stacked most of the bodies up around here last summer. They are outright banned, not regulated and as a result only the criminals have them.

I am too tired to lift one finger on the subject, plus I am heading to test out the NEW BF2 RANKED SERVER but my gut tells me that it is the piddly little 9 MM and below that cause most of the carnage around the country.