OBAMA slam round 1 (the stimulus from hell)

**MotoZ** · 01-30-09, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by MotoZ

I bring up the football stuff when I drink beer

Does your running mate, Consultant, know you have an alcohol problem?

Consu

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by MotoZ

I bring up the football stuff when I drink beer

Does your running mate, Consultant, know you have an alcohol problem?

A problem drinker is one who never buys a round.

**ninja|oaklandr** · 01-30-09, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

After 9/11, we haven't been attacked at home since, and for me, that is one of the reasons I think he did an ok job.

I here (edit: hehe oops silly me wrong word "hear") this about Bush all the time. How many times were we attacked before?

**rock_lobster** · 01-31-09, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

After 9/11, we haven't been attacked at home since, and for me, that is one of the reasons I think he did an ok job.

I here this about Bush all the time. How many times were we attacked before?

Honestly I dont know the answer off hand, but I'd imagine that terrorism is more of a problem today (for the U.S.) than it was the last several decades. Especially since we are in Iraq.

The Trade Center comes to mind...was that '93? Right at the beginning of the Clinton term I believe. Then blam....another one at the beginning of the Bush term....it's been speculated that the terrorists organizations are testing the reactions of new presidents. Hopefully nothing like that happens to our new pres.

**triggerhappy2005** · 01-31-09, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

okay Rock, tell me this. what did you think of Bush as a president?

That is my biggest fear about the American people at the moment. The fact that if Obama totally botches things up, his supporters will act like he's done the greatest thing ever. We've become so caught up hating either party, that the hardcore righties and lefties don't care what happens to the U.S. so long as their party is in power.....ignorance is bliss I guess..

You're right when you say American people, because that's who voted for Obama. The majority. We voted for him because we do care what happens to this country unlike people like you who vote for someone like Bush despite how far he brings this country down. As long he speaks like me, goes to church like me and pronounces Iraq the wrong way like me, then his incompetency is irrelevant. Jesus, you numb nuts wanted to vote for Palin. Genius at work.

**BruceBloodMaster** · 01-31-09, 10:15 AM

Trigger..... your last post was a bit Hard. I voted for Bush because I felt we'd really have been in Hot Water with either Kerri or Gore at the helm !

**BruceBloodMaster** · 01-31-09, 10:19 AM

Oh one more thing......... IF the terrorists hit us again Right Now....We're gonna be Royaly Screwed !

**triggerhappy2005** · 01-31-09, 10:21 AM

Hard maybe but the question is, is it true?

How anyone can look at Bush after his first term and consider him competent is beyond me. I was pro Bush when he was elected the first time but it became obvious during his first term that he was a bad choice. I'm still waiting to hear of the good things he did for us during his tenure.

**triggerhappy2005** · 01-31-09, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by BruceBloodMaster

Oh one more thing......... IF the terrorists hit us again Right Now....We're gonna be Royaly Screwed !

We'd be royally screwed if we ever get hit again. As if there's a good time for that to happen. Whether it had been Gore or Bush in office after 9/11, the response would have been the same, except I doubt Gore would have screwed us and 4000+ soldiers in Iraq. To say that Bush has protected us all these years is ludicrous. The terrorist threat simply came front and center after 9/11 and we reacted accordingly. Any U.S. president would have seen to that. The big difference is that Gore would not have used it as a smokescreen to invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush lied to us.

**bryn0202** · 01-31-09, 11:45 AM

Strange, reading this thread, I have seen no compelling argument from anyone (i.e. the Obama supporters) as to why this this new stimulus bill will kickstart the economy. It seems to have degraded into an "well it must be good because Obama is better than Bush" line.

This bill just seems to throw a lot of money, that doesn't exist, to a lot of social and infrastructure programs that will be paid by future taxes of those who don't get the promised tax cuts to the, so-called, middle class. Must be a good plan.

Hey, I know how I can help - I won't buy that big-screen TV at Circuit City (oops they're gone - forgot). I'll just continue rather saving any disposable income for the increased tax I'm going to pay for these programs. As our clients continue to go out of business or downsize with layoffs because their investors also seem to be saving their money for the increased taxes coming down the pike, we may need to re-visit our policy of no-lay-offs at work and probably retract our offer letters for the 10 new college grads that were going to start in the summer.

Well at least the good thing about that is that as the remaining employees start to get insecure in their employment, they may change their extravagant lifestyles and start bringing in lunch instead of supporting the local restaurants. There were way too many of them anyway, so a few going out of business is probably a good thing.

Then the brilliance of the bill comes into play - all the newly unemployed can get jobs (may pay a little less and I know at least one of the research PhD's at one of my clients wanted to get some real life field experience) in the new social / infrastructure programs.

Oops - doesn't seem to help the currently unemployed, but I am sure Obama has another trick up his sleeve to help them.

**triggerhappy2005** · 01-31-09, 11:56 AM

Speaking for myself, I don't know if this stimulus package will work or not. I have not and will not just give Obama a blank check. If he messes up like Bush did, then I will judge him accordingly. I will, at this time, give him the benefit of the doubt and not make predictions about supposed future missteps. I did the same for Bush when he was elected.

As far as the stimulus goes, most people don't really understand what lies at the heart of the problem. It's not about getting money to buy more crap we don't need. It's about re-instilling confidence again. Banks won't lend and businesses are cutting back b/c of a gloomy outlook. Some seem to think that the government is printing more money and that is simply not true. The government is borrowing for this through treasury auctions. There is a world of difference between the two.

And bryn0202 I will take any and every opportunity to shit on Bush, even if it's not topic related.