Thread: To You Gun Guys

I picked up an M4 this weekend at the gun show. I bought an essential arms M4.

I got rapped on buying ammo...fucking commis. I was tricked into 3 boxs of Horaday for $60. If I see that guy, I will punch him in the face. I then picked up 2 Remmington's at 14 a pop. Then yesterday at a pawn shop I got 2 boxs of some cheap shit for 9 a box.

Anyways- I am looking to spice the weapon up. I found - http://the-tactical-store.com/cgi-bi...cgi?120X375436

I am looking at the Tactical Latch for sure, possibly the pistol grip, for sure the 3-9x40 sight (is this a good price, I am just wanting a nice scope for it. I like this one because it compensates for the drop.) Also looking at the quad rail and folding Rail Handle.

What is the difference in the 3-point sling and 1 point slings?

Thanks

Not sure on the sling but I think it is the difference between having the sling connected to the front and rear of the gun. Two points of connection and you being the third point. Some slings only connect just behind the reciever. I would call that a two point sling.

You did not do that bad on the Hornady. If it is 20rd boxes of v-max then you would pay $18 at a place like bass pro plus shipping. There is no ammo that compares to the v-max IMO. Save it for hunting/defense and shoot the cheap stuff for fun. I keep 90rds of v-max loaded in clips for zombies and such.

Does it have a carry handle, is it a flat top or what? Lets see some pics.

Do these people make this hardware of are they just reselling it?

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Not sure on the sling but I think it is the difference between having the sling connected to the front and rear of the gun. Two points of connection and you being the third point. Some slings only connect just behind the reciever. I would call that a two point sling.

You did not do that bad on the Hornady. If it is 20rd boxes of v-max then you would pay $18 at a place like bass pro plus shipping. There is no ammo that compares to the v-max IMO. Save it for hunting/defense and shoot the cheap stuff for fun. I keep 90rds of v-max loaded in clips for zombies and such.

Does it have a carry handle, is it a flat top or what? Lets see some pics.

took the words right out of my mouth.


On other notes do you own any other firearms? (trying to grasp how seasoned you are)

For cleaning I would recommend a bore snake because it makes a quick clean of the barrel so smooth and easy
http://www.hoppes.com/products/ca_boresnakes.html

If you are looking for a carrying handle I can assume you have a flat top AR? I don't care much for them as I usually dont see people carrying them around by the handle anyways. But IMO iron sites of some fashion are a must have, even if they are only a backup.


To get some pics of what other people have been doing, or just read up on any of your questions check out these forums (not to take away from ttp as I don't even have an account over there, I just lurk every now and then)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/board.html?b=3

Thanks Guys,
I am well seasoned on weapons. I do alot of research when I am not on TTP.

First gun I bought was an old 30/30 lever action with a 3-12x40 scope. Pawn Shop $150. Cleaned it up and shot the shit out of it.

Next I had to get a pistol, because I love and trust a glock on my life. I purchased a G-23C. For those that don't know the "C", it stands for compensated. It is amazing, I love it to death, the only problem I see is that the standard clip is 10. So I have 4 of those. 2 loaded with hollows, and the other with range. I figure if you can get past 20 hollows, then your a terminator.

Now was this M4. I was torn between an M4 and the A1. I chose the M4, because it had a shorter barrel and colaspable stock on it already. It does have the little front sights but nothing other then that. I haven't gotten to shoot it yet but I am looking forward. I was looking into the DPMS Panthers but I heard mixed reviews. The few things I heard about essential were only good things. Of course the Bushmaster was too damn expensive just for the lower and standard barrel.

It is that Horaday you mentioned up top. It is a flat top, but has the mounts for either. I personally didn't want the perminate handle always mounted ontop.

One of my main questions is that the AR-15, M4, A1 and A2 are all in the same boat, but there are little differences. Can't the lower be interchangable and one can always buy a longer barrel to turn it into a AR or A2?

Also It is .223 5.56. I know that ammo is going like hot cakes right now, but I wanted it over the 308.

I will post pics when I get home. But first I am going to Purretts in Houston to see if he has any of this in good prices.

As for the ammo, that's not a bad price for Hornady, though if you're just going to be plinking I'd get some Wolf or military surplus ammo. Another possibility to consider in the future is a .22LR conversion for your AR, which would allow you to shoot much cheaper and readily available .22LR ammunition while plinking and still let you switch back to .223 when you're done.

As far as upgrades go, really, it's your AR, do what you'd like with it, though I'd advise against buying anything from The Tactical Store. Part of what makes the AR platform so popular is the wide array of options available to you, and the opportunity to create a firearm package that is custom tailored to your liking. That being said, a couple of things to stay away from...

1. High magnification scopes. A .223's maximum effective range caps out at around 400-500 yards, in which case a 4x magnification should be plenty to get shots on target. This will also allow you to use a combination of holo sight and magnifier, allowing you to switch between close and long range shooting easily.

2. Anything made for Airsoft. This might be common sense but I've seen it done before. Airsoft products simply aren't made to withstand the abuse that firearm components must endure. Simply the act of firing the rifle can be enough to cause them to fall apart.

3. Anything made by Leapers. Seriously. Just don't do it.

The type of sling determines how many points of contact the sling makes with the rifle. 1-, 2-, and 3-points are available, with 1-points typically being used in low drag situations with smaller, lighter rifles, and 3-points used with heavier rifles where the extra points of contact help secure the weapon, but doesn't necessarily allow for rapid transitions between carry and ready positions. Most people I know use 1-point slings, sometimes with a retention holster at their belt, which converts it to a sort of pseudo-2-point sling for a more secure carry position.

Also, avoid calling your AR an M4. It's not an M4 and can never be an M4. If you must call it anything, call it an M4gery, but only after the proper aftermarket parts have been installed. See ar15.com for more information on creating a proper M4gery.

M4s are military weapons made solely by Colt Defense. You do not and can not ever own an M4 without a significant amount of paperwork and/or soul selling to the US military.

A1, A2, etc., refers to the version of the rifle, which mainly depends (in the M4s case) on the presence or absence of a carry handle.

AR-15 is the civilian rifle originally designed by ArmaLite, on which the M4 was based. Since then, all AR styled weapons are commonly known as ARs or AR-15s.

Props to tick for knowing that an AR does not stand for Assault Rifle!

actually, the m4's are originally based on the AR-10's, the predecessor to the AR-15.


if your rifle isn't made by colt, then it is probably just an AR-15...in which case, m4 uppers/lowers/barrels will NOT fit right...but if it's an AR-15, ANY part that says "AR-15" on it should fit.


NOTICE: if you get a match grade .223 barrel, DO NOT FIRE 5.56 AMMUNITION IN IT!!!

5.56 NATO rounds are built to fire at a higher pressure than .223....regular .223 barrels can handle it, match grade CANNOT.


my tip? buy WOLF, brown bear, etc ammunition online in bulk. the russian shit is cheap, but it's generally reliable.....wolf .223 500 rounds should run under 200...maybe even close to 150 if you find a deal right now.