Thread: The missing link?

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

A question for all the believers...since you regard the theory of evolution as just a theory, something with no proof thus open to scrutiny, do you apply that same logic to god? It's a fair question since no one can prove god exists with verifiable evidence. In other words, you say that the theory of evolution could be wrong since no one can prove it, does that apply to 'god' as well?

My answer to this is that is I don't care one way or the other if the theory of evolution is right or wrong or where I came from. I enjoy studying, thinking, looking at the theory and anything about our origins which includes God.

Man cannot create life on his own he can only alter it or, if you want to argue and say they can "create" it is only by using mechanisms already in place. This makes the theory of evolution take a back seat when it comes to the importance of where I come from or may have evolved from. If I evolved from an ape, then fine. I want to get in touch with what made the ape or made the 47,000,000 year old lemur with the tail or made the _____________.

Christianity is that tool from me. It is what makes the most sense to me.

And finally I will say as I've said many times before when these discussions have come up that what is undeniable is that humanity by it's own actions throughout time have set the precedence for a god/gods because religion in whatever form it takes has been a mainstay in their culture regardless of their technological or scientific advancement.

But wait Chosen, "it's only the "intelligent, smart people with no religious belief system" that have brought reason and sanity and goodness into the dark hearts of the believers".

Okay.

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

I think Sinatra said it best when he said..."I'm not unmindful of a man's seeming need for faith; I'm for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers, or a bottle of Jack Daniels. But to me religion is a deeply personal thing in which man and God go it alone together, without the witch doctor in the middle."

That's a really awesome quotation, for the record.

Looking from the outside in, it amazes me how docile and reasonable speaking the "believers","Christians" are in this thread. I see no hate, anger, outright boasting whatsoever. No forcing religion on me or anyone else here, as well as the majority of Christians I meet in my daily travels. Sure there are those religious freaks and Zealots out there and they give believers a bad name.

Yet I look at the posts that are "against" the idea of Christianity and see how hateful, brash, and in the face of a believer, that they are to the point of being abusive. For example, I will call upon Hawgballs posts. Read them, see how aggressive he is with his belief system, see how he puts down the believer. I don't see the Christians putting him down for his non-belief.

Sorry Hawg, no offense but you fit the profile this time.

Whether you are a Christian or a "science based person" why is it that I always see the non believers the ones being the most aggressive and trying to prove their point with the utmost drive and determination. I would think that should be the other way around. Most believers would like you to understand and become a believer too, but generally they understand that it is your choice to learn from them or their God.

I am all for the Scientists finding all the proof of everything they can find. The more they study the more we know. Be it that we and everything were either Created or there was a Big Boom that started it all. Learning and understanding is what we all want. The direction of that "learning" or "believing" should not be scrutinized by anyone.

Very true Trail, we all are given a choice to believe or not. Even if you are forced as a child you can still change your mind as an adult wether to believe or not. I am no holy roller by no means. I too have had my doubts but we all do at some point. Heck I don't even go to church every Sunday, but I believe in God and I have faith in him and Jesus.

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by Consultant

Why is it any more acceptable for you to say "Keep your religion to yourself" than it is for me to say "Keep your theories and your 'science' to yourself."

Wouldn't that sound messed up?

They are two (sometimes) opposing viewpoints - do you really want to squelch debate and lessen the exchange of ideas?

Not at all, because that science you refer to is something you use daily in your life. Do you wear a seatbelt? Or does your faith protect you from high speed collisions? Everyone relies upon science to live their daily lives. Not everyone relies upon religion. That's not to say you shouldn't, just don't act as if religion needs to be pushed upon others. The condom/aids argument is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The church says don't wear condoms b/c it won't protect against aids. That's an example of why you need to keep it to yourself.

quoted for the truth that I would need a lot more four letter words to convey