Is waterboarding torture?

**Veovis** · 06-03-09, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Coors

Does it work consistently is the question to ask first, and if it works then decide its its acceptable to use.

False confessions under interrogation are not just limited to people simply making things up to get out of the interrogation.

The stress and intensity causes subjects to sometimes begin to believe they are actually part of what they are being accused of to the point where psychologically they think they truly did it even though they didn't.

That isn't hippy liberalism btw, that's fact with case examples in the regular law and justice system.

I guess nobody's gonna respond to this one. Some really good points within.

**Highstakes72** · 06-03-09, 04:48 PM

Most interrogations are done to fill in certain holes in the timeline for intelligence. A person might be inclined to fabricate a story to stop the stress. However, since alot of background information is present most of the time the questions that are asked would be fairly pointed. Broad fabrications would not be believed whilst narrow fabrications contain a large amount of truth....and thus may reveal who the next target is or further illuminate the situation.

**Muqtar SGT_Clintok** · 06-03-09, 05:18 PM

Is France caught up in some waterboarding controversy or something?

If enlisting is a requirement for having an opinion of the military, shouldn't the same apply ?

You don't live in the US, so don't worry about it.

**SJA** · 06-03-09, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by Captain Coors

Does it work consistently is the question to ask first, and if it works then decide its its acceptable to use.

False confessions under interrogation are not just limited to people simply making things up to get out of the interrogation.

The stress and intensity causes subjects to sometimes begin to believe they are actually part of what they are being accused of to the point where psychologically they think they truly did it even though they didn't.

That isn't hippy liberalism btw, that's fact with case examples in the regular law and justice system.

I guess nobody's gonna respond to this one. Some really good points within.

I thought I did earlier, so I'll highlight something above thats important. I dont think the point of interrogations at gitmo has anything to do with getting a confession to use in court. The point there is to get useful intel on other terrorists, plans, etc. Thats why I think its useful, its not like its detective Joe busting nuckles to get a confession and up his arrest record, the questions are likely open ended and its harder to make stuff up that way.

**deathgodusmc** · 06-03-09, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by Captain Coors

Does it work consistently is the question to ask first, and if it works then decide its its acceptable to use.

False confessions under interrogation are not just limited to people simply making things up to get out of the interrogation.

The stress and intensity causes subjects to sometimes begin to believe they are actually part of what they are being accused of to the point where psychologically they think they truly did it even though they didn't.

That isn't hippy liberalism btw, that's fact with case examples in the regular law and justice system.

I guess nobody's gonna respond to this one. Some really good points within.

Actually I didn't think it rated a responce. This type of shit has been going on forever. If it didn't work they wouldn't use it. This stuff is not new.

**Captain Coors** · 06-03-09, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Actually I didn't think it rated a responce. This type of shit has been going on forever. If it didn't work they wouldn't use it. This stuff is not new.

If extreme interrogation works, why in even our usual justice system do false confessions occur where detectives aren't even waterboarding, just using harsh verbal and perhaps light physical tactics?

Bigdog will come in here and rail on wikipedia as a source but its actually useful for once for this list of examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_c...se_confessions

**Consultant** · 06-03-09, 06:48 PM

Meh, it seems sort of torture'ish to me.

ManPig does not impress me as sincere, he strikes me as a ratings whore - anybody who has followed his career would know that. He started as a stern-wanna-be shock jock, moved onto a chicken-hawk conservative - and now wants to be the Keith Olberman of radio.

I dont know if torture works...if enhanced interrogations work...if asking really nicely works...no idea. If you told me that torturing a terrorist was guaranteed to save lives, I might be in favor of it...but the more I consider the alternatives, I'd rather err on the side of human rights and the sanctity of life.

**Sora** · 06-03-09, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Consultant

I dont know if torture works...if enhanced interrogations work...if asking really nicely works...no idea. If you told me that torturing a terrorist was guaranteed to save lives, I might be in favor of it...but the more I consider the alternatives, I'd rather err on the side of human rights and the sanctity of life.

I can agree on some levels, But if they intend to kill americans, why should we spare there lives?
If someone walked into your house and say...shot and killed a family member of yours, Wouldnt you push for death penalty?
I know i would. So if they concider taking out hundreds, maybe thousands of people a little torture doesnt seem to drastic to me ;]

**-Sauso-** · 06-03-09, 07:27 PM

lol the first video..

i find it funny how he mentions it was a Marine who poured the water on him...is that suppose to be harder to handle than a normal person?

pouring water takes training and skill !

one person's definition of torture differs from the next person...and the same goes for terrorism..

i am all for roughing some people up if you know they are guilty...

**~~hawgballs~~** · 06-03-09, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jester(TA)

Waterboarding isnt torture.Beheading people(like Daniel Pearl) is torchure murder.Id waterboard the fuck out of terrorists or worse.It would be as easy as washing my hands.Ive lost acouple friends in this war on terror and have no feelings towards them.I hear stories from other friends still active and wish death to all the terrorists and anyone that supports them I !.

There I fixed it for you.

And yes, waterboarding is indeed torture.