Thread: Man guilty of Homicide for praying

Originally Posted by dex71

Notice he hired a lawyer,and didn't just pray to keep himself out of jail.

True dat.

Typical bible thumper that doesn't practice what he preaches.

Originally Posted by flame

Freedom of religion. He has the right to believe that his family doesn't need a doctor. Well within his constitutional rights. I believe in faith healing. Have family and close friends that were diagnosed with incurable cancer, gonna die, etc. People began praying and they went to the doctor a week later and had zero cancer.

Do I really think he shouldn't have taken the kid to the doctor. No. But we have sects within society who dont use electricity because of religous reasons. They seclude themselves from the world. Are we going to go against our constitution and say they are all wrong. They must live the way we live. That is the narrow minded thinking that takes away our freedoms. Yes it may be crazy, but far worse happens everyday. This guy had a religous conviction, none of you have the courage to hold faith in anything. I may not agree in avoiding the doctor, but I do believe we should protect our constitution, even if it protects idiots.

How many times does a person get away with a crime because of the 5th ammendment. Should we revoke it because it protects people in some cases. No it has been put in place to provide checks and balances in our free society. We are a free country unless someone is doing something unpopular.

We are also a nation of laws. One of those laws says that a parent has a special relationship to his child and therefore is not allowed to neglect the child's needs.

A parent can pray for his neighbors, friends, and relatives all he wants. But when his kid says daddy, I'm sick, he's not allowed to only pray. If only praying was allowed there would be a lot of shitty, neglectful, parents with dead kids on their hands using, "but occifer, I prayed" as defense for criminal neglect.

Below is a cite to a Minnesota case regarding the parent-child special relationship. It is typical law in all 50 states. Notice the case says that a parent has a duty to protect the child.

This is different from a typical neighborly relationship, or friendly relationship, or stranger relationship, etc. A person has no duty to protect those others from shit. Merely praying for them is more than what the law demands with regard to providing protection.

“A custodial parent has a special relationship to a dependent and vulnerable child that gives rise to duty to protect the child from harm.” Lundman v. McKown , 530 N.W.2d 807, 820 (Minn. App. 1995)

Originally Posted by MotoZ

Below is a cite to a Minnesota case regarding the parent-child special relationship. It is typical law in all 50 states. Notice the case says that a parent has a duty to protect the child.

This is different from a typical neighborly relationship, or friendly relationship, or stranger relationship, etc. A person has no duty to protect those others from shit. Merely praying for them is more than what the law demands with regarding to providing protection.

“A custodial parent has a special relationship to a dependent and vulnerable child that gives rise to duty to protect the child from harm.” Lundman v. McKown , 530 N.W.2d 807, 820 (Minn. App. 1995)

Motoz, I think flame was trying to bring up that it doesn't seem like things are being applied equally here. We have groups like the Amish here in America that are inbred beyond all reason (and yes, that is fact; don't try to tell me it isn't because the community near where I live has genetic disorders that only exist in that community and 60 Minutes did a report on all the jacked up things they have to deal with) and suffer from all kinds of diseases, some of them treatable. Still, they often refuse to get modern medical care for their children and many of them die as a result of it. So why aren't they ever prosecuted on a similar basis?

Asian,

You would have to provide a real example of an Amish instance. There are a lot of moving parts. Parent-child special relationship is only one of them. Examples of others include jury pool, local law regarding standards of medical care, etc.

Originally Posted by flame

They must live the way we live. That is the narrow minded thinking that takes away our freedoms. Yes it may be crazy, but far worse happens everyday. This guy had a religous conviction, none of you have the courage to hold faith in anything. I may not agree in avoiding the doctor, but I do believe we should protect our constitution, even if it protects idiots.

Nobody said that they must "live the way we live", they can try to "pray away the cancer" all they want, if they are the ones stricken. But when it is a child's life, judgement ought to be deferred to the safest and most likely cure(which prayer falls woefully short in this case).

I have courage enough(and quite frankly intelligence enough) in the history that science and medicine provide better cures or treatments for maladies such as diabetes, cancer, polio, fever etc than prayer... Just because I, or anyone else, don't believe in mystic fairy tales doesn't mean that we lack courage. We just have courage enough to believe in something a little more, umm...... proven?

I agree that we ought to protect the constitution, even if it protects idiots, but how can we protect the innocent from the idiots? Like this case.......