This Bud's for you Soy

**deputyfestus** · 08-08-09, 09:01 PM

I just read this article and thought of you :9

http://www.alternet.org/environment/...c_think_again/

**SapiensErus** · 08-08-09, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by deputyfestus

I just read this article and thought of you :9

http://www.alternet.org/environment/...c_think_again/

Yeah this has been a huge source of irritation for me. It's like selling DDT to Mexico and then buying fruit from them... <sigh>

This is one reason I prize local over organic. Here in the Pacific Northwest we have all kinds of little hippy farms (I know many of these farmers actually and have volunteered at some of them) where they grow using true organic methods but are not large enough to invest in the Certified Organics Program of the NOA. I also maintain a personal vegetable garden as do most of my family and friends so we all exchange organic produce. I am a member of several food co-ops too.

The last administration really fucked a lot of laws for the environment and programs like the NOA in my opinion. Note that our organic labeling is mostly to satisfy EU concerns and was not originally made for Americans. But once they discovered a niche market where people will spend up to three or four times as much, corporations got their hooks in it and then corporation friendly administrations warped it.

**~~hawgballs~~** · 08-09-09, 08:24 AM

I recall I beleive it was Nestle and Mars were trying to get the defintion of chocolate changed to where cocoa butter is replaced with veg. oil, so as to cheapen the price (as well as cheapen the quality)to produce chocolate bars. As the rules were at the time, if there were no cocoa butter, but veg oil, the bars were to be labeled "chocolate flavored bar", whereas if they got their way, they could market the inferior product as pure chocolate......... I know it doesn't sound important, but this type of chicanary has been/is happening in other industries, as evidenced in the organic labeling. It's pretty fucking pathetic, and to think, if anyone were to be against such changes would be labeled "anti-business" by those that are in the pocket of big business.

**SapiensErus** · 08-09-09, 11:04 AM

What a crime.

I cannot stand most American chocolate (Hershey's, Nestle, etc.) as they are already weak compared to smaller and local chocolatiers and the European imports. Those "Endanagered Species" chocolate bars (a portion of the purchase price gets donated...) are pretty darn yummy too.

I believe France actually has laws governing what chocolate is, and white chocolate is criminal. They call it something else. People who take their food seriously...

**WileECyte** · 08-09-09, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

I cannot stand most American chocolate (Hershey's, Nestle, etc.)

Nestle is actually Swiss.

**Red_Lizard2** · 08-09-09, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Those "Endanagered Species" chocolate bars (a portion of the purchase price gets donated...) are pretty darn yummy too.

Those things are fucking amazing! loved them, had a really good real dark chocolate like 91% or something like that.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

I believe France actually has laws governing what chocolate is, and white chocolate is criminal. They call it something else. People who take their food seriously...

Not sure on food but i know the french make some really kick ass cheeses

**SapiensErus** · 08-09-09, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by WileECyte

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

I cannot stand most American chocolate (Hershey's, Nestle, etc.)

Nestle is actually Swiss.

lol! I stand corrected...I had no idea I just assumed. It still sucks...here at least. I wonder if it is different in Europe. Many companies who manufacture for America and othe rlocations can get by making cheaper versions for the US since we are such a huge and less discriminating market.

**SapiensErus** · 08-09-09, 11:18 AM

Holy crap! Nestle is into everything... Purina, Power Bar, etc...

**deputyfestus** · 08-09-09, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Holy crap! Nestle is into everything... Purina, Power Bar, etc...

LOL I love when it when someone does that Holy Crap thing, I just wish people would do it more often. You can pick virtually any subject or topic and get a Holy Crap if you just look. :9