Thread: China's national flag to go up in White House on Sept 20

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China's national flag to go up in White House on Sept 20
ChinaDaily ^ | 7/13/09 | Hou Lei

Posted on Monday, August 31, 2009 1:04:05 AM by Sammy67

The national flag of the People's Republic of China (PRC) will be hoisted at the South Lawn of the White House in Washington on September 20, media reported Sunday.

Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President’s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

Chen Ronghua, chairman of Fujian Association of the United States, told reporters that their application was approved not only


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For some reason chinadaily is 404 when I try to look at it.

I'm not too familiar with the whitehouse grounds. But why on earth would we really need to hoist their flag on our governmental ground just because they have been the PRC for 60 years? We should make other counteries hoist our flag every July 4th.

At least they come to the right place to party...

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

Some of their associates made a request and we obliged... I don't see how it hurts anyone to show a little respect for the PRC. Nor are we submitting to any "demands" or appear weaker by honoring their request.

I see it as a friendly gesture.

Agreed nothing wrong with it what so ever. Ours will be standing tall above theirs anyway. Who knows maybe it will help with discussions over NK in the future. It can be the little things that smooth out the rough areas.

Originally Posted by Blakeman

Kinda a smack in the face to those from Tibet here in the US though...

They'll recover.

Cause they own us? It's a way of saying thanks for building all our shit and poisoning our children with your lead paint. Oh yeh...thanks for the money too..

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Who knows maybe it will help with discussions over NK in the future. It can be the little things that smooth out the rough areas.

China would make a nice base of opperations for the invasion....

Well it is certainly better than going to Cairo and making up a bunch of bullshit about how the Muslims invented math and the printing press and the rest of the kiss-ass statements our leader made.
What do you want to bet the idea for allowing this did NOT come from Foggy Bottom ?

here is a concept....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(social_concept)







....still doesn't work...so here

Although Lin Yutang (1935:200) claimed "Face cannot be translated or defined", compare these definitions:

The term face may be defined as the positive social value a person effectively claims for himself by the line others assume he has taken during a particular contact. Face is an image of self delineated in terms of approved social attributes. (Goffman 1955:213)
Face is the respectability and/or deference which a person can claim for himself from others, by virtue of the relative position he occupies in his social network and the degree to which he is judged to have functioned adequately in that position as well as acceptably in his general conduct. (Ho 1975:883)
[Face] is something that is emotionally invested, and that can be lost, maintained, or enhanced, and must be constantly attended to in interaction. In general, people cooperate (and assume each other's cooperation) in maintaining face in interaction, such cooperation being based on the mutual vulnerability of face. (Brown and Levinson 1978:66)
Face is a sense of worth that comes from knowing one's status and reflects concern with the congruency between one's performance or appearance and one's real worth. (Huang 1987:71)
"Face" means 'sociodynamic valuation', a lexical hyponym of words meaning 'prestige; dignity; honor; respect; status'. (Carr 1993:90)

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"The concept of face is, of course, Chinese in origin" (Ho 1975:867), yet many languages have "face" terms that metaphorically mean "prestige; honor; reputation". Marcel Mauss, who sociologically studied the Kwakwaka'wakw (formerly known as Kwakiutl) and Haida nations in British Columbia, interpreted the Kwak'wala word q'elsem (lit. "rotten face") meaning "stingy potlatch-giver; one who gives no feast".

Kwakiutl and Haida noblemen have the same notion of 'face' as the Chinese mandarin or officer. It is said of one of the great mythical chiefs who gave no feast that he had a 'rotten face'. The expression is more apt than it is even in China; for to lose one's face is to lose one's spirit, which is truly the 'face', the dancing mask, the right to incarnate a spirit and wear an emblem or totem. It is the veritable persona which is at stake, and it can be lost in the potlatch just as it can be lost in the game of gift-giving, in war, or through some error in ritual. (1954:38)

Michael Carr (1992, 1993) lexicographically investigated "face; prestige" dictionary forms in Chinese, Japanese, and English. Within this sample, Chinese dictionaries include 98 forms, e.g., sipo lian (lit. "rip up face") "have no consideration for someone's feelings"; Japanese dictionaries list 89, e.g., kao o uru ? (lit. "sell face") "become popular; gain influence"; and English dictionaries include 5 forms, e.g., lose face (borrowed from Chinese diulian ?? "lose face"). Carr found that the Chinese and Japanese lexicons have roughly equal numbers of words for "losing face" and "saving face", while English has more for "saving face".

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Two influential Chinese authors explained "face". Lu Xun referred to the missionary Arthur Henderson Smith's (1894:16-18) interpretation.

The term "face" keeps cropping up in our conversation, and it seems such a simple expression that I doubt whether many people give it much thought. Recently, however, we have heard this word on the lips of foreigners too, who seem to be studying it. They find it extremely hard to understand, but believe that "face" is the key to the Chinese spirit and that grasping it will be like grabbing a queue twenty-four years ago [when wearing a queue was compulsory] – everything else will follow. (1934, 1959:129)

Lin Yutang considered the psychology of "face".

Interesting as the Chinese physiological face is, the psychological face makes a still more fascinating study. It is not a face that can be washed or shaved, but a face that can be "granted" and "lost" and "fought for" and "presented as a gift." Here we arrive at the most curious point of Chinese social psychology. Abstract and intangible, it is yet the most delicate standard by which Chinese social intercourse is regulated. (1935: 199-200)