Thread: Astroturf Grows

I also agree Obama isn't a socialist, not even European Socialist(ism). more closer to the center. Worldwide both of the major parties here would be considered Conservative, just one more so then the other.

Also do cut the BS, anytime anyone on the left speaks of anything Obama does that they lik,e or even just the congress is doing that Obama has no part in they are told they think of Obama as the Mesiah.
In the fact the only people i hear calling Obama a god or anything close to it are the people on the right.

You act like its differnet, but its no different then the cookie cutter bullshit that anyone against Obama is a racist. Anyone for Obama must then see him as there god .

And to be honest i've heard a hell of a lot more civil, honest discussion coming from people on the left then people on the right. Most of the people i've heard on the right don't want to discuss, they are just looking for any little thing to attack Obama or the Dems on.

And thats not to say things weren't reversed a few years ago. In fact i would bet on it that when Bush and the Republicans were in control the same thing happened. People on the left spent their time finding anything to attack Bush or the Republicans on, and some people on the right were probably reasonable.

Though recently i believe the Republican Party has been pushing out any of the reasonable people of the party and instead allowing the far right to take over and dominate the party and what it stands for. And i don't mean the far right when it comes to fiscal policies mind you, those people have gone over to the Libertarians. The new Republican party from what i've seen consists around mostly war and god.


I personally vote for the Libertarians even though i don't agree with them on some of the Fiscal policy, because i like a lot of their ideas for some of the social issues. Including the fact of not caring what religion or sexual orientation you are etc etc. Their idea for schools doesn't seem too out there and has some good points etc.



In regards to things like Healthcare, I think if people would actually start giving ideas on how to fix it instead of just that Obama's plan is bad, a system without a public option could win much more support from the moderate left. Yet most of the people on the right either in politics or just voters haven't offered any suggestions, just keep telling us that Obama is a messiah and some evil dude

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

I also agree Obama isn't a socialist, not even European Socialist(ism). more closer to the center. Worldwide both of the major parties here would be considered Conservative, just one more so then the other.

Also do cut the BS, anytime anyone on the left speaks of anything Obama does that they lik,e or even just the congress is doing that Obama has no part in they are told they think of Obama as the Mesiah.
In the fact the only people i hear calling Obama a god or anything close to it are the people on the right.

You act like its differnet, but its no different then the cookie cutter bullshit that anyone against Obama is a racist. Anyone for Obama must then see him as there god .

And to be honest i've heard a hell of a lot more civil, honest discussion coming from people on the left then people on the right. Most of the people i've heard on the right don't want to discuss, they are just looking for any little thing to attack Obama or the Dems on.

And thats not to say things weren't reversed a few years ago. In fact i would bet on it that when Bush and the Republicans were in control the same thing happened. People on the left spent their time finding anything to attack Bush or the Republicans on, and some people on the right were probably reasonable.

Though recently i believe the Republican Party has been pushing out any of the reasonable people of the party and instead allowing the far right to take over and dominate the party and what it stands for. And i don't mean the far right when it comes to fiscal policies mind you, those people have gone over to the Libertarians. The new Republican party from what i've seen consists around mostly war and god.


I personally vote for the Libertarians even though i don't agree with them on some of the Fiscal policy, because i like a lot of their ideas for some of the social issues. Including the fact of not caring what religion or sexual orientation you are etc etc. Their idea for schools doesn't seem too out there and has some good points etc.



In regards to things like Healthcare, I think if people would actually start giving ideas on how to fix it instead of just that Obama's plan is bad, a system without a public option could win much more support from the moderate left. Yet most of the people on the right either in politics or just voters haven't offered any suggestions, just keep telling us that Obama is a messiah and some evil dude

I gave mine http://www.texasteamplayers.com/inde...7770#msg997770

"Carrrying guns to protest is unamerican"
Hmm... sounds like someone knows who owns the guns. You dont think our forefathers were unarmed do you? Govt is not the answer to any thing. Let business men run businesses, Obama's experience in business?

Why are people so willing to trust govt to run everything? The federal govt was intended to provide national defense and ensure that the states did not violate the constitution, ie protecting the bill of rights.

States should control 95% of what the federal govt is screwing with now.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

they need the brilliance of Ivy League educated professional politicians

From my experience, we have many over educated people. They spend so much time in school and lose touch with reality. They lack common sense and real work experience.

There are eceptions, for example I would never have guessed that bigdog had a doctrate. He is damn smart, but still maintains that "real" kind of guy feeling.

What we need are mechanics, firefighters, contractors, small business owners, and the like. Those are the people who work everyday and know what people need. They are fighting for that american dream. No offense to those seeking higher education, you just have to maintain common sense. The most important lesson in school is to teach yourself. So many take everything for gold and fail to look deeper.

I've been to college, I openly questioned professors. Of course architecture being an art there are some topics more open for debate than others. I engaged in excellent conversations and sometimes my proffesors looked at me like "wow that makes sense."

I have learned so much from first hand experience, many of our politicians have never been in the real world to learn. They need to get out and work a job that pays min. wage for a few months. They need to understand the people and not special intrests that fill their pocket book.

I work a job that doesn't offer health insurance, thats my choice. My wife works at a company that offers excellent benefits. We have made theese choices. Let the american people be free, some times people are poor and sometimes people die. It's life and it sure as hell aint fair. I went 3 years without health insurance, if I had been diagnosed with cancer I would be in debt for the rest of my life, but guess what I would have worked my ass off to pay those bills cause thats what you do.

All in all I dont want the govt deciding my life for me, I live in america for freedom. Go to canada if you want "free" health care.

Originally Posted by flame

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

they need the brilliance of Ivy League educated professional politicians

From my experience, we have many over educated people. They spend so much time in school and lose touch with reality. They lack common sense and real work experience.

There are eceptions, for example I would never have guessed that bigdog had a doctrate. He is damn smart, but still maintains that "real" kind of guy feeling.

What we need are mechanics, firefighters, contractors, small business owners, and the like. Those are the people who work everyday and know what people need. They are fighting for that american dream. No offense to those seeking higher education, you just have to maintain common sense. The most important lesson in school is to teach yourself. So many take everything for gold and fail to look deeper.

I've been to college, I openly questioned professors. Of course architecture being an art there are some topics more open for debate than others. I engaged in excellent conversations and sometimes my proffesors looked at me like "wow that makes sense."

I have learned so much from first hand experience, many of our politicians have never been in the real world to learn. They need to get out and work a job that pays min. wage for a few months. They need to understand the people and not special intrests that fill their pocket book.

I work a job that doesn't offer health insurance, thats my choice. My wife works at a company that offers excellent benefits. We have made theese choices. Let the american people be free, some times people are poor and sometimes people die. It's life and it sure as hell aint fair. I went 3 years without health insurance, if I had been diagnosed with cancer I would be in debt for the rest of my life, but guess what I would have worked my ass off to pay those bills cause thats what you do.

All in all I dont want the govt deciding my life for me, I live in america for freedom. Go to canada if you want "free" health care.

Good post, I agree.

PS... Bigdog has a DOCTORATE? God damn!

Fovezer, I do differentiate between Americans and other people when I deem it appropriate. In other words, I wasn't calling Obama a leftist in the broad (IE world) spectrum, I was calling him a leftist by American standards. But the point of my post was to clear up that I didn't think you would say he is centrist within the small scale of American politics, but you would say he is in the broad spectrum. I do agree with you that in the broad spectrum Obama is fairly near the middle. If in fact you do consider him a centrist even within the magnified arena of American politics, then I respectfully disagree.