NFL 09/10

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 06:48 PM

so i'm bored and feel like discussing some things so:
QB:
Best QB Shortlist:
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton

Worst QB Shortlist:
Jason Campbell
Jake Delhomme
JaMarcus Russell
Derek Anderson
Matthew Stafford

Most Underachieving QB shortlist:
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jay Cutler

Most Overachieving QB shortlist:
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Donovan McNabb

RB
Best RB Shortlist:
Maurice Jones-Drew
Adrian Peterson
Michael Turner
Chris Johnson
Cedric Benson
Ronnie Brown

Worst RB Shortlist
Steve Slaton
Larry Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Marshawn Lynch
Justin Fargas
Willie Parker

Most Underachieving RB
Steve Slaton
Willie Parker
Kevin Smith
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis
Matt Forte

Most Overachieving RB
Cedric Benson
Mike Bell
Rashard Mendenhall
Ricky Williams
Fred Jackson

Best Rookie RB
Glen Coffee
Shonn Greene
Beanie Wells
Donald Brown
LeSean McCoy
Knowshon Moreno

WR
Best WR
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Miles Austin
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Marques Colston
Chad Ochocinco
Vincent Jackson
DeSean Jackson

Worst WR
Antwaan Randle El
Andre Caldwell
Davone Bess
Muhsin Muhammad
Eddie Royal

Most Underachieving WR
Eddie Royal
Greg Jennings
Lance Moore
Calvin Johnson
Terrell Owens
Laveranues Coles
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Anquan Boldin

Most Overachieving WR
Vincent Jackson
Mike Sims-Walker
Devin Hester
Miles Austin
Mario Manningham
DeSean Jackson

Best Rookie WR
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks
Austin Collie
Johnny Knox
Jeremy Maclin
Mike Wallace

TE
Best TE
Dallas Clark
Antonio Gates
Brent Celek
Tony Gonzalez
Vernon Davis
Jeremy Shockey
Heath Miller
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe
Greg Olsen

Worst TE
Donald Lee
Randy McMichael
Kevin Boss
Alge Crumpler
Fred Davis
Bo Scaife

Most Underachieving TE
Donald Lee
Kevin Boss
Jason Witten
Todd Heap
Daniel Graham
Randy McMichael

Most Overachieving TE
Vernon Davis
Zach Miller
John Carlson
Brent Celek
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe

Overall
Offense Best Player
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Maurice Jones-Drew
Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Dallas Clark
Antonio Gates
Vernon Davis

Offense Worst Player
Jake Delhomme
JaMarcus Russell
Derek Anderson
Larry Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Donald Lee
Randy McMichael
Kevin Boss
Antwaan Randle El
Andre Caldwell
Davone Bess
Muhsin Muhammad
Eddie Royal

Most Underachieving(Offense)
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Carson Palmer
Kevin Smith
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis
Steve Slaton
Greg Jennings
Lance Moore
Calvin Johnson
Terrell Owens
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Anquan Boldin
Donald Lee
Kevin Boss
Jason Witten

Most Overachieving(Offense)
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton
Aaron Rodgers
Miles Austin
Mario Manningham
Vincent Jackson
Cedric Benson
Mike Bell
Rashard Mendenhall
Ricky Williams
Vernon Davis
Brent Celek
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe

Best Rookie (Offense)
Mark Sanchez
Shonn Greene
Beanie Wells
Donald Brown
LeSean McCoy
Knowshon Moreno
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks
Austin Collie
Johnny Knox
Jeremy Maclin
Mike Wallace
Brandon Pettigrew

Worst Rookie(offense)
Matthew Stafford
Kenny Britt
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Julian Edelman
Mike Thomas
Glen Coffee

i'll do defense and teams in a little bit. Take your pick for each category. Don't like the choice? Don't be a lazy ass and make your own.

**rock_lobster** · 11-08-09, 07:24 PM

I like the list of RB's. If Bell and Thomas weren't splitting (along with Bush), they could very well both be on the top running backs list. Bell actually lead the league in rushing for the first 3 weeks (or was in the top 3, I forget) until Thomas came back. But that could just be the bias talking.

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 07:28 PM

I hated having to put Bell as an option for most overachieving as, as a Zona fan, he is a great great RB. But i'm bias, and not everyone sees it that way. Thus someone is a relative small history in the NFL has to be thrown on there.

And Bush doesn't count as a RB except when he was at USC

**CivilWars** · 11-08-09, 08:21 PM

I disagree with your QBs. Where was Rodgers drafted? What has he ever done, including this year? Where was Romo drafted? Look at his numbers, and I think he has overachieved. For those who say he is overrated need I remind you of the lumps of trash the Cowboys had at QB since Aikman retired?

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I disagree with your QBs. Where was Rodgers drafted? What has he ever done, including this year? Where was Romo drafted? Look at his numbers, and I think he has overachieved. For those who say he is overrated need I remind you of the lumps of trash the Cowboys had at QB since Aikman retired?

first of all as it says it is as of so far this year. Thus compared to the past Romo has been struggling. And can you honestly look at the numbers Rodgers has put up this year and not say he isn't able to be on the shortlist for not only the Top QB but also likely overachieving. 14TD, 2INT almost 2000 yards and been sacked like 37 times.

**CivilWars** · 11-08-09, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I disagree with your QBs. Where was Rodgers drafted? What has he ever done, including this year? Where was Romo drafted? Look at his numbers, and I think he has overachieved. For those who say he is overrated need I remind you of the lumps of trash the Cowboys had at QB since Aikman retired?

first of all as it says it is as of so far this year. Thus compared to the past Romo has been struggling. And can you honestly look at the numbers Rodgers has put up this year and not say he isn't able to be on the shortlist for not only the Top QB but also likely overachieving. 14TD, 2INT almost 2000 yards and been sacked like 37 times.

Look at the stats now. Nice game with 3 Ints doesn't help your argument. Nor does the 4-4 record.

**badprimer1** · 11-08-09, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I disagree with your QBs. Where was Rodgers drafted? What has he ever done, including this year? Where was Romo drafted? Look at his numbers, and I think he has overachieved. For those who say he is overrated need I remind you of the lumps of trash the Cowboys had at QB since Aikman retired?

Don't go hating the fine lineup of QB's -

Quincy Carter
Chad Hutchinson
Vinny T
Drew Bledsoe
Drew Henson
A Wright
Ryan Leaf
Clint Stoerner

.....those were the days :3

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 09:51 PM

no it supports my argument even more that he belonged on the overachieving list.

Romo can do better and thus through the first half does belong as underachieving list. Hell even most of the experts thought Romo has been underachieving.

Rodgers has 16TD, 5INT, 63.1% completion rate, 2,255 yards. 214 rushing with 2 TDs

Before today Rodgers:
2000 yards, 14TD, 2INT, 190(about) rushing and 1 TD.

Hell, want to explain what teams Romo has actually performed against?

Oh and my argument? Mines based exactly what the post was about, awards (so to speak) as through week 7. And yours was about how because Romo was drafted later he thus is immune to underachieving

edit: brain fart

**rock_lobster** · 11-08-09, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Nor does the 4-4 record.

To me the record is irrelevant in evaluating talent and skill. Drew Brees went 8-8 (?) last season. Are you going to keep him off the list of top notch QB's for last year? Of course not. This is why everyone is on Brady's jock. The system and talent around him made him what he is, not to mention a tenacious defense all those years. It's a team effort.

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 10:05 PM

My picks since you all won't do it. And record matters....why? The stats show that Rodger isn't at fault (the problem is the shit o-line and Defense GB has)

QB:
Best QB:
Peyton Manning

Worst QB:
JaMarcus Russell

Most Underachieving QB:
Carson Palmer

Most Overachieving QB:
Kyle Orton

RB
Best RB:
Maurice Jones-Drew

Worst RB Shortlist
Larry Johnson

Most Underachieving RB
Brandon Jacobs

Most Overachieving RB
Cedric Benson

Best Rookie RB
Knowshon Moreno

WR
Best WR
Larry Fitzgerald

Worst WR
Antwaan Randle El

Most Underachieving WR
T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Most Overachieving WR
Mike Sims-Walker

Best Rookie WR
Percy Harvin

TE
Best TE
Dallas Clark

Worst TE
Alge Crumpler

Most Underachieving TE
Donald Lee

Most Overachieving TE
Vernon Davis

Overall
Offense Best Player
Peyton Manning

Offense Worst Player
Larry Johnson

Most Underachieving(Offense)
Brandon Jacobs

Most Overachieving(Offense)
Aaron Rodgers

Best Rookie (Offense)
Percy Harvin

Worst Rookie(offense)
Darrius Heyward-Bey