NFL 09/10

**CivilWars** · 11-08-09, 10:07 PM

My point is he has the 9th highest QB rating in the league, is 5-2, and until tonight had 8 TDs and 0 Ints in the last 3 weeks. What more do you want him to do?

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

My point is he has the 9th highest QB rating in the league, is 5-2, and until tonight had 8 TDs and 0 Ints in the last 3 weeks. What more do you want him to do?

his last 3 games were KC, Atlanta and Seattle. What more? He could step up against a decent team. His best game against a half decent defense was a 66% completion rate, 255 yards 0TD and 0INT against Carolina.

To me the difference between Rodgers and Romo, is Rodgers has at least stepped up in the big games for the Packers. Has he won it for them like Peyton or Brees? Hell no, i don't think he'll ever do that. If Romo can step up in a Big game then i think most of the people saying he is under performing while no longer feel that way.

**rock_lobster** · 11-08-09, 10:28 PM

Another note....Romo hasn't won a playoff game yet, not to mention when the temperature drops, so does his QB rating.

**badprimer1** · 11-08-09, 10:35 PM

How do you have the 4th overall pick in 2005, Cedric Benson, as overachieving? With that pick and hype coming out of college, this was and should have been expected.

**Red_Lizard2** · 11-08-09, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

How do you have the 4th overall pick in 2005, Cedric Benson, as overachieving? With that pick and hype coming out of college, this was and should have been expected.

You honestly think if you asked people this year if Benson was going to be any good, they would say yes?

**CivilWars** · 11-08-09, 10:45 PM

So is the Eagle's D any good?

**rock_lobster** · 11-08-09, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

How do you have the 4th overall pick in 2005, Cedric Benson, as overachieving? With that pick and hype coming out of college, this was and should have been expected.

Comparative to what he's done over his NFL career, he is overachieving.

**cop1991** · 11-08-09, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

so i'm bored and feel like discussing some things so:
QB:
Best QB Shortlist:
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton

Worst QB Shortlist:
Jason Campbell
Jake Delhomme
JaMarcus Russell
Derek Anderson
Matthew Stafford

Most Underachieving QB shortlist:
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jay Cutler

Most Overachieving QB shortlist:
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Donovan McNabb

RB
Best RB Shortlist:
Maurice Jones-Drew
Adrian Peterson
Michael Turner
Chris Johnson
Cedric Benson
Ronnie Brown

Worst RB Shortlist
Steve Slaton
Larry Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Marshawn Lynch
Justin Fargas
Willie Parker

Most Underachieving RB
Steve Slaton
Willie Parker
Kevin Smith
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis
Matt Forte

Most Overachieving RB
Cedric Benson
Mike Bell
Rashard Mendenhall
Ricky Williams
Fred Jackson

Best Rookie RB
Glen Coffee
Shonn Greene
Beanie Wells
Donald Brown
LeSean McCoy
Knowshon Moreno

WR
Best WR
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Miles Austin
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Marques Colston
Chad Ochocinco
Vincent Jackson
DeSean Jackson

Worst WR
Antwaan Randle El
Andre Caldwell
Davone Bess
Muhsin Muhammad
Eddie Royal

Most Underachieving WR
Eddie Royal
Greg Jennings
Lance Moore
Calvin Johnson
Terrell Owens
Laveranues Coles
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Anquan Boldin

Most Overachieving WR
Vincent Jackson
Mike Sims-Walker
Devin Hester
Miles Austin
Mario Manningham
DeSean Jackson

Best Rookie WR
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks
Austin Collie
Johnny Knox
Jeremy Maclin
Mike Wallace

TE
Best TE
Dallas Clark
Antonio Gates
Brent Celek
Tony Gonzalez
Vernon Davis
Jeremy Shockey
Heath Miller
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe
Greg Olsen

Worst TE
Donald Lee
Randy McMichael
Kevin Boss
Alge Crumpler
Fred Davis
Bo Scaife

Most Underachieving TE
Donald Lee
Kevin Boss
Jason Witten
Todd Heap
Daniel Graham
Randy McMichael

Most Overachieving TE
Vernon Davis
Zach Miller
John Carlson
Brent Celek
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe

Overall
Offense Best Player
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Maurice Jones-Drew
Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Dallas Clark
Antonio Gates
Vernon Davis

Offense Worst Player
Jake Delhomme
JaMarcus Russell
Derek Anderson
Larry Johnson
Jamal Lewis
Donald Lee
Randy McMichael
Kevin Boss
Antwaan Randle El
Andre Caldwell
Davone Bess
Muhsin Muhammad
Eddie Royal

Most Underachieving(Offense)
Eli Manning
Jake Delhomme
Carson Palmer
Kevin Smith
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis
Steve Slaton
Greg Jennings
Lance Moore
Calvin Johnson
Terrell Owens
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Anquan Boldin
Donald Lee
Kevin Boss
Jason Witten

Most Overachieving(Offense)
Brett Favre
Kyle Orton
Aaron Rodgers
Miles Austin
Mario Manningham
Vincent Jackson
Cedric Benson
Mike Bell
Rashard Mendenhall
Ricky Williams
Vernon Davis
Brent Celek
Kellen Winslow
Visanthe Shiancoe

Best Rookie (Offense)
Mark Sanchez
Shonn Greene
Beanie Wells
Donald Brown
LeSean McCoy
Knowshon Moreno
Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks
Austin Collie
Johnny Knox
Jeremy Maclin
Mike Wallace
Brandon Pettigrew

Worst Rookie(offense)
Matthew Stafford
Kenny Britt
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Julian Edelman
Mike Thomas
Glen Coffee

i'll do defense and teams in a little bit. Take your pick for each category. Don't like the choice? Don't be a lazy ass and make your own.

How the fuck is Jason Witten not in the best TE list and why in gods name is he in "Underachieving?"