Thread: Bill to end Acorn funding....will stop funding to others as well

Originally Posted by Consultant

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The problem i see with this list is how do you compair lockheed and boeing that provide a product for the money they recieve to acorn which does not have a product.

I'm sorry, have you not seen our President? They pushed that product quite well I would say.

Heck, votes were their product. They produced votes and voters!

They registered voters......

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Keep up the tap dancing, its' funny to watch.
ACORN is involved in multiple cases of fraud and has been for at least a decade.
But don't deal with that, fall back to the standard postion.
Anyone who opposes an illegal organization like ACORN just hates minorities and the poor.
If that fails .....blame the Military-Industrial Complex.




Every issue.....the same bullshit repsonse.....................CHAFF !!!

Illegal? Really? They are outlaws? Like Jessie James?

Originally Posted by Consultant

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Well, assuming that they did not get caught for 100% of the voter fraud, it is fair to say they produced some too!

When you say "they" are you speaking of the few employees that committed fraud registering voters or ACORN the organization that caught these employees doing wrong immediately turning them in to the authorities?

If a bank teller swipes a few dollars out of the cash drawer, is the whole bank guilty of theft?

Sorry to requote. The myth that acorn is self policing appears to be alive and well.

Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok

Sorry for the long post, but this is one list (over a year old), that goes against hollow claim that ACORN takes responsibilty for policing itself, and certainly dispells the idea that it is an isolated incident.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-com...voter-fraud/2/

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That’s not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its “Fight the Smears” website to distance themselves from the organization — quite a challenge considering how close their candidate’s association has been with the group.

The liberal vs. conservative, voter fraud vs. voter intimidation debate will no doubt continue after this election. But this year, with the assistance of scandal-plagued ACORN, it appears that — so far — the voter fraud side is winning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/bu...o.html?_r=1&hp

WASHINGTON — The White House on Sunday pushed out the chairman of General Motors and instructed Chrysler to form a partnership with the Italian automaker Fiat within 30 days as conditions for receiving another much-needed round of government aid.

The decision to ask G.M.’s chairman and chief executive, Rick Wagoner, to resign caught Detroit and Washington by surprise, and it underscored the Obama administration’s determination to keep a tight rein on the companies it is bailing out — a level of government involvement in business perhaps not seen since the Great Depression.
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So......... either leave, or the company goes under. No pressure or anything.

If that isn't the white house making a personnel decision, I dont know what is.

Sure the trees can be explained away, but the forrest remains.

Originally Posted by Silent_Crow

Fovezer, there is obviously no arguing with you, youve made your point and Ive made mine.

If you actually read your own posts you can see how much damage control you are doing for acorn, yet with the military defense stuff there is close to no evidence - yet you are all over that.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

A couple people in a large organization got caught giving out bad advice

I mean you would LOL if you saw the Wal-Mart CEO, or some republican saying that about a scandal. I consider myself independent, I just wish you could realize what you are saying is so biased and ignorant, because of what side of the political spectrum ACORN falls on.

I'm not doing "damage control" for ACORN, but I am not full of Glenn Beck-type paranoia and delusions about ACORN like some people here. They don't care about the truth about a group they had never even heard of before 2008, and they believe whatever some wingnut tells them to believe about the group. I defend them when I see fit, and at the same time have said the people caught doing bad things should be punished. Is that enough to slam a nationwide group? No. There was a group of Republicans, hired by the state GOP, arrested for actual fraud in California during the election, but I am not running around screaming about them and their ties to the GOP.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Defense is Defense and when the money is needed, it is on defense and really, you don't put a price or budget on that.

The defense, also employs probably more jobs, then anything, because it trickles all the way down and back up.

ALL of this federal funding to organizations, needs to be under a microscope and evaluate taxpayer dollars.

Why are you justifying misconduct? Because they are part of the defense industry laws don't apply to them? I agree that federal funding needs to be watched better. And the idea that wealth trickles down is bullshit.

I never said that the defense budget was crooked. I stated that they should not hender the defense budget.

Also, if the businesses are doing well and expanding, then that creates more jobs, more healthcare through your employer and puts money in the economy, so if you don't think it trickles down, then either you don't understand economics, or you are just riding on a bandwagon, that you have been sold into.