Thread: Bill to end Acorn funding....will stop funding to others as well

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by Consultant

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by Consultant

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Well, assuming that they did not get caught for 100% of the voter fraud, it is fair to say they produced some too!

When you say "they" are you speaking of the few employees that committed fraud registering voters or ACORN the organization that caught these employees doing wrong immediately turning them in to the authorities?

If a bank teller swipes a few dollars out of the cash drawer, is the whole bank guilty of theft?

Was the entire bush administration corrupt because a couple people got caught doing naughty things?

The double standard is laughable.

Imagine if the a couple local NRA presidents or accountants got caught telling gang bangers how to smuggle illegal weapons into the country...just picture for a second...what would the media be like?

Be honest.

The president of ACORN was trying to get tax breaks for whores?

There are NRA members helping gangbangers run guns everyday, but nobody is blaming all of the NRA for conspiring to distribute guns illegally. No, it is the individuals that are responsible.

Those couple of people in the Bush administration doing "naughty things", were a lot higher up the food chain, than a couple tax preparers for ACORN in a corner office in some strip mall in Baltimore.......... So there is no comparison between Scooter/Karl/Monica Goodling (who were within reach of the president's ear, and made decisions in the President's name) and a couple tax preparers in an strip mall ACORN office.......... Nice try though.

And you have some proof the that gangbangers go to an NRA office or facility and are given tips on how to break the law ?
Where are your sources ?
Can you show us where seven different states are investigating the NRA for various offenses ?


as far as blackwater goes .....

They don't go to thew NRA office,(which is exactly my point) but they still deal with NRA members. I am willing to bet that 99% of firearms dealers in the US are NRA members. My point being, is I don't blame the entire NRA organization, or it's leadership, because some members sell guns to gangbangers.........

But I suppose I shouldn't expect you to actually read the words in the context that they were typed. Otherwise, you wouldn't appear to be such a knee-jerk..... well....... ummmmmm..... jerk.

Saw this in the news a few days back - just noticed the thread. I am glad that there are companies and/or organizations that will lose funding for the BS that they've pulled. I have no issues with that at all. If they want their funding back, then prove that they can "do the right thing." That goes for all of them.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Hawg,

For your example to be equivalent, the NRA would have to be taking government money and be employed by the government as ACORN is for census work. I may be wrong, but I do not believe the government has hired the NRA for anything and I do not know of the NRA accepting government cash.

Not really. The example has nothing to do with govt funding. It was a comparison of the ridiculousness of blaming the entity for the misdeeds of of it's lower rung members. Painting ACORN as condoning illegal activities, because a couple low level people did wrong............ is tantamount to blaming the NRA for a gun shop knowingly selling cheap peashooters to gang-bangers that are going to be used for illegal activity......

Comparing Acorn and the NRA is like comparing aplles and cashews.............. As a taxpayer we should all be Concerned where and how Our money is being spent. You Obviously can't trust Politicians to police themselves cause they will walk out with All our money. Its about time Acorn got defunded.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by Gumby

Hawg,

For your example to be equivalent, the NRA would have to be taking government money and be employed by the government as ACORN is for census work. I may be wrong, but I do not believe the government has hired the NRA for anything and I do not know of the NRA accepting government cash.

Not really. The example has nothing to do with govt funding. It was a comparison of the ridiculousness of blaming the entity for the misdeeds of of it's lower rung members. Painting ACORN as condoning illegal activities, because a couple low level people did wrong............ is tantamount to blaming the NRA for a gun shop knowingly selling cheap peashooters to gang-bangers that are going to be used for illegal activity......

This train of thought is why you would not make it as a business owner. Bottom line if it's your company it does not matter who made the mistake. It is your fault as the owner because everyone there works for you and acts as a representative of you. Thats reality ask any one who owns a business.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Hawg, you are wrong. The fact that they accept government money is very relevant.
And even though, this was obviously not ACORN's policy, they obviously did not have much quality control going on.
As a government contractor for the 2010 census, they were fired basically. There is nothing wrong with that.

Lets take this hypothetical situation:
I own a big plumping company, employing thousands of plumbers in a multi-state area.
You own several large apartment complexes in that multi-state area.
I have a contract with you to handle plumbing issues for your apartments.
A newscast shows home security camera footage of one of my plumbers robbing a client, but not one of your apartments.
They have three videos from separate areas showing the same type of theft, but none of these occur in your apartments.
I fire these people and release a public statement that this in no way is representative of my company or what I expect from my crews.
You immediately withdraw from the contract. Because even if I can guarantee that this will not happen again, you feel that you do not want plumbing trucks with my logo rolling up to any of your apartments.

That is what happened to ACORN and their census contract.
yeah, it was a few bad apples in a large orchard. But the taint remains.

Oh yeah, and ALL government contractors should be held to high standards, no matter what industry they are in. It is our money after all.

You make valid points. The main organization is not responsible for the actions of their employees who act outside what they are instructed to do, and shouldn't be blamed for some people's actions, I agree. However, there is more to the story than just that. To add to your hypothetical situation, imagine that the people who film the plumbers stealing are people from a different plumbing company who hired them to do a fictional job and intentionally leave out money. They film everyone, but only show the ones who stole the money. They leave out the people who ignored it or turned the money in order to paint a negative picture of the other company. Would you call that fair? I ask because that is essentially what happened in this case.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Hawg, you are wrong. The fact that they accept government money is very relevant.
And even though, this was obviously not ACORN's policy, they obviously did not have much quality control going on.
As a government contractor for the 2010 census, they were fired basically. There is nothing wrong with that.

Lets take this hypothetical situation:
I own a big plumping company, employing thousands of plumbers in a multi-state area.
You own several large apartment complexes in that multi-state area.
I have a contract with you to handle plumbing issues for your apartments.
A newscast shows home security camera footage of one of my plumbers robbing a client, but not one of your apartments.
They have three videos from separate areas showing the same type of theft, but none of these occur in your apartments.
I fire these people and release a public statement that this in no way is representative of my company or what I expect from my crews.
You immediately withdraw from the contract. Because even if I can guarantee that this will not happen again, you feel that you do not want plumbing trucks with my logo rolling up to any of your apartments.

That is what happened to ACORN and their census contract.
yeah, it was a few bad apples in a large orchard. But the taint remains.

Oh yeah, and ALL government contractors should be held to high standards, no matter what industry they are in. It is our money after all.

I can accept that, and I agree........
But my point in the comparison is regarding those voicing how ACORN is such a horrible organization and that they were in cahoots with those doing wrong. And that is not the case, that is why I posed the example, federal funding had nothing to do with culpability.