Thread: Haven't had a discussion on this in awhile

found this article about a recent law that takes affect in Arizona in about 2 hours. What do you think about it?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/electi...rtion0930.html

A state judge on Tuesday blocked implementation of several key parts of a new Arizona law restricting abortions, while allowing a few provisions to take effect.

The preliminary injunction issued by Judge Donald Daughton of Maricopa County Superior Court allows a 24-hour waiting period to take affect, but he blocked requirements that a woman see a doctor in person for advance disclosures before getting an abortion.

The so-called “informed consent” consultation can be by telephone and by a qualified staff member, Daughton said in his ruling granting most of a request by Planned Parenthood, the state's major abortion provider.

The state judge also blocked provisions prohibiting nurse practitioners from performing surgical abortions, requiring the notarizing of parental consent forms and expanding an existing law that now permits health-care workers to refuse to participate in abortions.

The expansion would cover any involvement, not just active participation, as well as emergency contraception.

Planned Parenthood argued that the requirements for the waiting period and in-person disclosures by a physician would effectively mean many women couldn't have abortions, in some cases because of difficulties in making two trips.

Supporters of the law said disclosures and waiting period would ensure women receive information they need to decide whether to have an abortion and have time to reflect on that decision. Surviving portions of the law were to take effect at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday.

Along with a truncated 24-hour waiting period requirement, those include specific advance disclosures required before abortions, criteria for judges to consider when deciding whether to exempt juveniles from parental consent requirements and restricting when payment can be sought from a woman obtaining information about getting an abortion.

Later Tuesday, a federal judge refused to issue a preliminary injunction in a separate, narrower challenge sought by other abortion providers and abortion-rights supporters.

While refusing to block implementation of the waiting period and informed consent requirements, U.S. District Judge David Campbell said he would ask the Arizona Supreme Court for an interpretation under state law of the payment restriction.

Campbell refused to issue the preliminary injunction requested in the federal case, saying the challengers hadn't shown they would prevail once the case is finally decided.

However, the state judge's brief order said the challengers in the state case had a “strong likelihood of success on the merits” and had met other state-set criteria that include the possibility of irreparable damage from the law.

“The government has erected barriers that deny citizens the ability to make their own health care decisions. We are grateful the court has put this law on hold,” Planned Parenthood Arizona President Bryan Howard said after Daughton ruled.

A leading supporter of the law expressed disappointment with Daughton's order.

“We believe that the judge gave short attention to the needs of Arizona women ... but this is round one,” said Cathi Herrod, president of the Center for Arizona Policy.

A Planned Parenthood attorney had argued during Tuesday's hearing before Daughton that challenged parts of the law violate state constitutional protections for a person's “private affairs” and equal privileges under the law.

While other states' similar laws have been upheld by federal courts, “the federal cases don't control under the Arizona Constitution,” attorney Eve C. Gartner said. “All that matters here is Arizona law, not the rulings in other states.”

I cant stand abortion. I believe in life, it is a precious thing. I hate the thought of killing anyone. Even those on death row. So stopping abortion is always good in my mind, sigh, yet others dont see it as killing. IDK about the particulars on this one, seems complicated.

I tend to stay completely out of abortion debates because I am not a woman. I don't think I could ever understand being pregnant.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Expelling a Blastocyst isn't killing.

Stabbing someone, shooting someone, and as displayed in another post hitting someone in the head with a 2x8 is killing.

Restricting a women's control over her body is unconstitutional.

I, Kraker Jak, am Hereby AGREEING with Hawgballs.


It's your decision, do whatever the hell you want. The reason I feel this way is if a 15 year old girl gets raped, and knocked up, not 1 person out there is going to say "No you cant have an abortion"

And we cant have double standards, so just make it legal....


My parents always said this to me (I have 2 brothers) "Boys, we wanted 2 kids...we had 3, because we knew the day was going to come where we would have to kill one of you."

It's hard not to have a double standard. My thoughts on the technicalties of it are, once it has its own heart beat, it is a seperate living organism. Various sites gave various answers but somewhere between 3 and 6 weeks the babies heartbeats with its own seperate blood. To me that is life, that is when it is more than just tissue. So I guess the morning after contraception is "valid"
It is very situational, but I dont think abortion is good. It is a known fact that sex leads to pregnancy, there is your choice, choosing to have sex with a known consequence.
Rape is a horrible thing, there was no choice on the womans part to become pregnant.
Like I said, its hard not to have double standards, but women that go out and spread their legs, get pregnant and 6 months later decide to kill it, that disgusts me. Yes that child would have had shit for parents but it would have been alive.

Originally Posted by flame

Yes that child would have had shit for parents but it would have been alive.

But for how long? Would it be better for him to be in this world, have shit for parents, end up being on welfare, committing crimes, and maybe even kill someone? Or just never known the difference?