Thread: White House advisers say Fox News is not news

That wasn't Dana Perino declaring NBC of being bias, was that?

Fovezer, you are trying to impart logic and sound thinking into the equivalent of a mongoloid. It might be better to just not feed the troll. It is well noted that you DO provide materials to support your positions, whereas, he just TROLLS and provides Michelle Maulkin and Glenn Beck links.

Originally Posted by Consultant

At the heart of it - it isnt even really about the network. They have millions of viewers, no shortage of advertisers and this move on the part of the WH has likely increased their ratings, not diminished them...

The real problem I have, and where the WH is short-sighted in my opinion is the way they are dismissing the audience as duped fools or members of an enemy regime.


I saw a statistic from Pew Research this morning (On Fox News, while getting dressed for work) that showed the breakdown of news viewers by political party affiliation and network and the long and the short of it is that Fox News is a much more balanced viewer base - if I recall correctly -

Fox -
39% R - 30% D - 22% I

CNN and MSNBC were something like
18% R - 52% D - 20%

I just spent a few minutes looking for it online but can't find it, regrettably. I know you will likely dismiss this next article - but what are your comments on this? Dick Morris wrote it, and he has some conservative opinions, so you are likely to reject it - but it definitely has some statistics that warrant a response.

http://www.newsmax.com/morris/fox_ne...19/273848.html

If the WH thinks Fox isnt news - what do they think of the Fox Audience? What do YOU think of the Fox Audience? Are you willing to marginalize it as the WH appears to be?

Another question...

Is this, in any way, similar to the Nixon Media Enemies thing? In your opinion.

I would say horribly ill-informed. And, well, duped fools, especially those that get their opinions from Fox as well.


http://people-press.org/report/319/p...on-revolutions.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

That wasn't Dana Perino declaring NBC of being bias, was that?

Fovezer, you are trying to impart logic and sound thinking into the equivalent of a mongoloid. It might be better to just not feed the troll. It is well noted that you DO provide materials to support your positions, whereas, he just TROLLS and provides Michelle Maulkin and Glenn Beck links.

The one and the same. And I agree about CallousDisregard. I think I'm through wasting my time with that cretin.

Originally Posted by Consultant

At the heart of it - it isnt even really about the network. They have millions of viewers, no shortage of advertisers and this move on the part of the WH has likely increased their ratings, not diminished them...

The real problem I have, and where the WH is short-sighted in my opinion is the way they are dismissing the audience as duped fools or members of an enemy regime.

I agree that this could ultimately help Fox's numbers. I can't see it really hurting them, but that doesn't negate their criticism. And I don't think the White House was dismissing the audience, rather dismissing the info Fox chooses to give to their viewers and through their Republican filter. But Fox viewers are often the most ill-informed about current issues.

Originally Posted by Consultant

I saw a statistic from Pew Research this morning (On Fox News, while getting dressed for work) that showed the breakdown of news viewers by political party affiliation and network and the long and the short of it is that Fox News is a much more balanced viewer base - if I recall correctly -

Fox -
39% R - 30% D - 22% I

CNN and MSNBC were something like
18% R - 52% D - 20%

I just spent a few minutes looking for it online but can't find it, regrettably. I know you will likely dismiss this next article - but what are your comments on this? Dick Morris wrote it, and he has some conservative opinions, so you are likely to reject it - but it definitely has some statistics that warrant a response.

http://www.newsmax.com/morris/fox_ne...19/273848.html

If the WH thinks Fox isnt news - what do they think of the Fox Audience? What do YOU think of the Fox Audience? Are you willing to marginalize it as the WH appears to be?

Even if I am dismissive of the source, I will always reply to them. I'll just let you know what I think of them beforehand. Yes, I think Dick Morris is a sniveling little weasel and I don't consider NewsMax a credible source, but to answer your question, the viewership composition doesn't matter. Even assuming your numbers are correct, it wouldn't matter if 100% of the viewers were Democrats, that has no bearing whatsoever on the editorial content of the network and whether it is working as an arm of the Republican party or not.

Originally Posted by Consultant

Another question...

Is this, in any way, similar to the Nixon Media Enemies thing? In your opinion.

No, not at all, because Nixon was using that list to go after people personally and try and ruin them. Publicly calling out a "news" organization for being dishonest is different that secretly trying to ruin, say, Glenn Beck and other Fox personalities.

Originally Posted by Toad

FOX deliberately distorts the truth to a ridiculous degree. It's not "They program for conservatives." It's "They frequently and intentionally lie to smear the left, or anything that is not far right." Not with every story (balloon boy isn't exactly a big political issue), but with many stories. I agree with calling them out because they have been a lie machine masquerading as news for a long, long time, as any news-savvy intellectually honest observer will tell you.

For another take on it, I remember when Kerry ran in 2004 I was pissed because he didn't play hardball enough. He was also a crappy candidate, although Bush was by far crappier. Now we have Obama, who (at least in the interviews I see) speaks to the American people like they are adults and expects them to understand what he is talking about, and who is not afraid to take the fight to his enemies (although obviously you'd never see any examples of this watching FOX news, for obvious reasons). He's lighting it up and making the hardcore conservatives cry and I love it. He's smoking mid, throwing some flashes and then charging in, M4 blazing, taking down the terrorists that are holding America's (how do I put this politely) "less discerning" citizens hostage!

:4 :9 :6

Please explain to me why if anyone on the right would say something to support a conservative politician, we are simply being ignorant and watching too much fox news bias; yet you can sit here and say this and we're supposed to take you at your word?

Stop the finger pointing. You think Bush was worse than kerry? Why? Because CNN thought so? MSNBC thought so? Do you ever watch fox news at all? For more than 5 seconds afterwhich you most likely roll your eyes even though you have no idea what was just said?

Any network that has anti-Obama stories out there (or the truth as I call it), is biased in the eyes of 99% of the liberals on this board. Anything anti-Bush in those last 8 years, was spot on and great reporting....do some of you even listen to yourself talk?

Does Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity like Barrack Obama's policies? No. Did a majority of CNN, CBS, MSNBC, anchors/reporters/etc... like the Bush administration and their policies? No.

So if Beck and Hannity are biased then sure as fuck the other networks were biased (And still are) during the Bush administration.

But alas, you'll just call me a right wing whacko then take your ball and go home all the while turning back telling me I'm not invited to your birthday party.

I believe the lead knuckle head attacking the new outlet, stated that Fox News operates "almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party." I dont know whether it was the conservative opinion heads they have on there, or just sour grapes after that year long love affair he had with the rest of the media during the election. Hard to say.

To say that fox news is a failed news outlet, and then say the debate is over? I think thats straight out of the Al Gore global warming playbook. It didn't work. There is definitely a lot of cooperation between the white house, moveon.org, and other liberal elements to silence the dissent, but we'll see whether that works.

http://civic.moveon.org/foxobama/index.html

But welcome to the forums toad. The discussions here have become highly polarized over the past 18 months or so. Knee jerk reactions do occur, but I commend you for bringing it back to civility.

My apologies if it seemed my animosity was directed at you personally toad. It's just that you can come at most of the liberals on this board soft. You'll leave with a limp.