Thread: I don't understand

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Every race is willing to do any job, I think what affects the demographics of day laborers is the pay. Most illegals are willing to do the job for less money than the average person because they don't necessarily need that much and is still considered alot when sent back home. Kind of the same situation when a company decides to outsource for materials or services outside of the US simply because it's cheaper.

Lets take it a step further.

Some companies are so concerned with profit they will pay illegals rather than their fellow american citizen. Its not like the illegals are hoping over the fence and forcing the construction company to hire them.

All it takes is for one company to make that choice and they become the most competitive in their pricing. Then other companies follow suit since they began losing business.

Lets take it a step further.

What about when the illegals (or once illegals) themselves eventually start a business of their own. To help out their own, would you think they would hire their own?

Lets take it a step further.

Think about who you should hire when you need to have work done.

Illegal's running a profitable business under the radar?!
ROFL thats a good one. You ever though about doing standup.

The most a group of illegals could pull off is a profitable taco truck or construction company. Thing is that all cities require permits and paperwork.

That's always why I said, "once illegals" to describe those that once were illegals. Anyhow, why is it so hard to believe that an illegal would work for himself. They babysit, they clean, they do landscaping, they do roofing repairs, remodeling. What's so hard about working under the radar?

I'm more curious about what is wrong with them coming over and working here that everyone is up in arms over it.

They give us cheap labor and we (Americans in general, which mean you too every time you buy fruit or a house) abuse the heck out of it. Cheap building and farm labor? That just screams America.

The illegals are generally happy to have the chance to provide a better life for their children, even if they have to suffer a bit themselves.

I say let them stay, give them a license and let their children into our schools. They deserve the chance to build a better life after making sure your berries are affordable with backbreaking labor and long hours.

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

I say let them stay, give them a license and let their children into our schools. They deserve the chance to build a better life after making sure your berries are affordable with backbreaking labor and long hours.

One of my classmates was here illegally (From the dominican) and then he somehow became a naturalized, I think thats the term, Citizen. He joined the army fought two tours in Iraq and now he is going to school for near nil b/c of the VA. Now I know he turned out alright but I know some folks on campus who have illegal relatives down the street in the city and they are gang members. Now unfortunately with the good comes the bad. There are hispanic gangs, black gangs and white gangs. Not saying all illegals are bad but with all influxes in population, and these people are definitely coming in large numbers there are some undesirables among them.

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

I'm more curious about what is wrong with them coming over and working here that everyone is up in arms over it.

They give us cheap labor and we (Americans in general, which mean you too every time you buy fruit or a house) abuse the heck out of it. Cheap building and farm labor? That just screams America.

The illegals are generally happy to have the chance to provide a better life for their children, even if they have to suffer a bit themselves.

I say let them stay, give them a license and let their children into our schools. They deserve the chance to build a better life after making sure your berries are affordable with backbreaking labor and long hours.

What's wrong with it? Its illegal, its actually in the name "Illegal immigrant." If you like having a large influx of Mexican and South American people to America, then go change the laws. That's how democracy works; you don't like it? Change it. As long as we have democracy, we have no excuse for breaking the law.

JB, you actually summarized what would have been my reply at the end of your post. Bravo.

Erik, I want to make a bet with you. If you win, I will buy a 3 month reserve slot for you on any TTP server... if I win, I'll expect the same from you. I bet you I can find over a dozen things that you and/or your family do often that is considered "illegal" in America. Care to take me up on that bet?

Just because something is illegal does not mean it hurts us or is wrong. Immigrants are immensely beneficial to our economy.

Quick. If you believe it is okay to break laws when you disagree with them, then you have destroyed the foundation of modern society and democracy. I'm sure most people commit small crimes every once in a while without realizing it. That is another point entirely (yes it really is.) If you believe that that is a relevant point, then answer me this. If the fact that an average family commits a number of crimes every year makes it okay to immigrate illegally, then logically it must make it okay to murder, rape and steal. If you can't agree with that, then you're arguing emotionally and not logically, which I suspect is the case.

Like I said, if you see something you don't like about America, change it! That's the beauty of this country. We can change things when we feel like it. You just need to get enough support for your cause.

Again, I actually support immigration reform to make it easier for people to legally immigrate. After all immigration helped build our great nation. So if you start a petition, or make a rally I could get to, I would support you wholeheartedly. What I won't do is stand by and allow laws to be willfully broken, just because someone disagrees with them.

When it comes to laws its all or nothing. We can't say its not okay for a desperate man to rob a store to feed his kids, but it is okay for an illegal immigrant to enter our country. Laws have to be without emotion by definition and without exception. Once you start making exceptions, or excuses you lose everything that the law accomplished, and stood for.

I have to head to work now, get back later tonight.

You are really going to sit there and compare illegal immigration to rape and murder?

Jesus... I need to debate argue politics with an older crowd. Where is Hawg and Consultant when you need them?

Originally Posted by [SWC

Erik Thorsen ]
Quick. If you believe it is okay to break laws when you disagree with them, then you have destroyed the foundation of modern society and democracy. I'm sure most people commit small crimes every once in a while without realizing it. That is another point entirely (yes it really is.) If you believe that that is a relevant point, then answer me this. If the fact that an average family commits a number of crimes every year makes it okay to immigrate illegally, then logically it must make it okay to murder, rape and steal. If you can't agree with that, then you're arguing emotionally and not logically, which I suspect is the case.

Like I said, if you see something you don't like about America, change it! That's the beauty of this country. We can change things when we feel like it. You just need to get enough support for your cause.

Again, I actually support immigration reform to make it easier for people to legally immigrate. After all immigration helped build our great nation. So if you start a petition, or make a rally I could get to, I would support you wholeheartedly. What I won't do is stand by and allow laws to be willfully broken, just because someone disagrees with them.

When it comes to laws its all or nothing. We can't say its not okay for a desperate man to rob a store to feed his kids, but it is okay for an illegal immigrant to enter our country. Laws have to be without emotion by definition and without exception. Once you start making exceptions, or excuses you lose everything that the law accomplished, and stood for.

I have to head to work now, get back later tonight.

I am on the fence about breaking laws you do not deem fit.

The only reason alcohol prohibition was lifted was because the citizens refused the law and constantly broke it. According to them under our form of government if the majority of people do not want a law enforced and refuse its enforcement then they must lift.

You cant change shit if you always go with the flow.

I just feel alot of illegal immigrants are here working there ass off trying to make a better life. Would I prefer that they come through proper channels, yes. I have no idea what all it takes to come legally, but I imagine it is not something your everyday immigrant is fully understanding of. Do some of them abuse our system, hell yes. However on the same argument we have plenty of legal citizens taking advantage of the system.
So many come here and work for a better life, I cant argue with those desires, America is great. Some times you do what is needed to get that better life, and working hard for very little is an incredible sacrifice and should be rewarded. Although our current system is flawed and makes it so difficult that illegal immigration is a good option to gain legal citezenship.