House GOP pens 230-page health bill draft

**rock_lobster** · 11-08-09, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

A majority of government run _______, are horrific and inferior compared to private ________.

I haven't seen a reason to think government option health care would be any different.

It will be better because WE HOPE IT WILL More people will be insured (those that actually need it) Those that use it won't be dropped. Those that can't afford the plans offered by those that profit from it, will be able to choose a cheaper option!!!!

FTFY

Is that what Bar-cock Nobama told you? Anything that comes out of that man's mouth is pure and utter lies and promises he has no intentions of keeping. Be alas we've already forgotten the 10,000 promises he made that he is always clearly stating he will break. You've moved on from kool-aid drinker to Obama c*ck sucker. I mean really, how much deeper can you get him in your mouth? This public option is not the way to go.

LOL

I see that you are trying to label anyone who supports Obama is picking up the soap....

Jeez I guess if we dont want that label we should oppose the health bill.....

I mean, jason if the shoe fits.....

And summon, there are some things the government does run that do well, I never denied that. But when it comes private business, such as the automotive industry, banking, and health coverage, I think the government should have limited involvement.

**Thorsen** · 11-08-09, 10:56 PM

Not to diminish your point Summon, because it is a good one, but there are some of us who not only want to limit further federal growth, but in fact pull it back. There are a few Federally run programs and agencies I'd be happy to see either gone or removed to the state level. So I guess what I'm saying is don't assume that everyone who isn't a fan of this bill was quiet about other big government advances.

**Fovezer** · 11-08-09, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

I mean, jason if the shoe fits.....

And summon, there are some things the government does run that do well, I never denied that. But when it comes private business, such as the automotive industry, banking, and health coverage, I think the government should have limited involvement.

Yeah, because the private industry does SO great providing health insurance.

I assume you know how insurance operates, so please explain to me what is the purpose of having private insurers as the primary insurer for our country? They cost far more and cover less when compared to every other industrialized country. Hell, we pay twice more per capita than the second highest country. We drive people into bankruptcy do to this and have millions uninsured or underinsured. None of that exists in other countries. I'm serious when I say I can't understand WHY people feel the need to defend insurance companies? They don't offer a tangible service that the government cannot provide cheaper and without a profit motive. There is absolutely NO need for a profit motive when it comes to covering people's health, it just encourages denying or dropping coverage to maintain a profit.

As a side note, this bill still does not change that shitty system, it just improves it some. I'm arguing from a single-payer point-of-view.

**619summon** · 11-09-09, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by [SWC

Erik Thorsen ]
Not to diminish your point Summon, because it is a good one, but there are some of us who not only want to limit further federal growth, but in fact pull it back. There are a few Federally run programs and agencies I'd be happy to see either gone or removed to the state level. So I guess what I'm saying is don't assume that everyone who isn't a fan of this bill was quiet about other big government advances.

ok i agree with you, but pick your battles. gun control would be higher on my list of government intrusion, before a heatlh plan that might help alot of people.

**~~hawgballs~~** · 11-09-09, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

A majority of government run _______, are horrific and inferior compared to private ________.

I haven't seen a reason to think government option health care would be any different.

It will be better because WE HOPE IT WILL More people will be insured (those that actually need it) Those that use it won't be dropped. Those that can't afford the plans offered by those that profit from it, will be able to choose a cheaper option!!!!

FTFY

Is that what Bar-cock Nobama told you? Anything that comes out of that man's mouth is pure and utter lies and promises he has no intentions of keeping. Be alas we've already forgotten the 10,000 promises he made that he is always clearly stating he will break. You've moved on from kool-aid drinker to Obama c*ck sucker. I mean really, how much deeper can you get him in your mouth? This public option is not the way to go.

You have done nothing to further your argument than call me cocksucker? Point to me where I was wrong or shut your fucking cum-dumpster, don't try and act tough over a computer screen because it ain't gonna work. Believe me, you wouldn't be saying that face to face, faggot.

**triggerhappy2005** · 11-09-09, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by flame

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by hawgballs

The thing is, unlike mail service, where the govt is actually shipping the mail, the "public option" health plan doesn't run the hospitals. No, it works like an insurance plan. It is a payment system, and we all know too well how the private insurers route is going.

Not only that but flame has been lead to believe there will be government insurance only hospitals and doctors offices with lines down the street. Also everyone will be forced to choose this plan.....

:1

no, I am bothered by the fact that I will be paying for it

You'll be paying for it, how?

**CallousDisregard** · 11-09-09, 06:39 AM

TAXES ?
You heard of them right ?
But you are so blinded by the light of the messiah you don't see the pattern here do know ?
Too Big to Fail ?
We cut the payments to doctors and hospitals, they go bankrupt, we bail them out.
We know control the hospital, just like we control the banks and car companies and maybe soon some newspapers too.
But that isn't the government taking over, it's well meaning saint-like personages who are sacrificing so that they can clean up the mess that less well intenioned people have left behind.

2010/ 2012
The liars and scumbags are gonna get thrown out so get ready.

**jason_jinx** · 11-09-09, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

TAXES ?
You heard of them right ?
But you are so blinded by the light of the messiah you don't see the pattern here do know ?
Too Big to Fail ?
We cut the payments to doctors and hospitals, they go bankrupt, we bail them out.
We know control the hospital, just like we control the banks and car companies and maybe soon some newspapers too.
But that isn't the government taking over, it's well meaning saint-like personages who are sacrificing so that they can clean up the mess that less well intenioned people have left behind.

2010/ 2012
The liars and scumbags are gonna get thrown out so get ready.

LOL I think Call has it all figured out.....

You should run for office :9

**Thorsen** · 11-09-09, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by 619summon

Originally Posted by [SWC

Erik Thorsen ]
Not to diminish your point Summon, because it is a good one, but there are some of us who not only want to limit further federal growth, but in fact pull it back. There are a few Federally run programs and agencies I'd be happy to see either gone or removed to the state level. So I guess what I'm saying is don't assume that everyone who isn't a fan of this bill was quiet about other big government advances.

ok i agree with you, but pick your battles. gun control would be higher on my list of government intrusion, before a heatlh plan that might help alot of people.

Oh trust me, Gun control is a pet issue of mine and I have been working diligently to see it's demise.

**~~hawgballs~~** · 11-09-09, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

TAXES ?
You heard of them right ?
But you are so blinded by the light of the messiah you don't see the pattern here do know ?
Too Big to Fail ?
We cut the payments to doctors and hospitals, they go bankrupt, we bail them out.
We know control the hospital, just like we control the banks and car companies and maybe soon some newspapers too.
But that isn't the government taking over, it's well meaning saint-like personages who are sacrificing so that they can clean up the mess that less well intenioned people have left behind.

2010/ 2012
The liars and scumbags are gonna get thrown out so get ready.

And insurance companies can't/don't cut payments to hospitals doctors? Get real. Besides that, the bill that passed the house clearly isn't government takeover, nor is it abolishing private insurers. So how can you flag it as a "government takeover"? In fact, please do tell how the "government took over the banks and car companies"? ANd please don't try to trot out the tired adage of "Obama fired the CEO of GM"........ Which is horseshit from the word go.