Thread: 7 dead, 12 injured in Fort Hood shooting

I wouldn't call him a terrorist and I never did. I would call him a Muslim extremist who committed an atrocious mass murder in the name of his god and religion. If he had links to Al'Qaeda (spelling correct?) then I would call him a terrorist, but that hasn't been confirmed. I just can't help but agree that there is a certain hypocrisy to liberal's views of these events.

For example, if someone had firebombed an abortion clinic, and the news reported that they were a devout Christian fundamentalist, and someone said "Why am I not surprised to see a Christian do this?" Would you have been mad? I really doubt it.

Ok so... unless that was an ironic joke you've just said in essence exactly the same thing I did, but somehow I'm a small minded bigot and you're not...

Originally Posted by shoi

One of my professors just sent this out

Originally Posted by Humphreys

I thought you all might be interested in this statement on the Fort Hood incident from Ali Gomaa, grand mufti (i.e., the official senior interpreter of shari'a) of Egypt. It is an op-ed piece rather than a formal fatwa (juridical opinion). Even so, it will give you some sense of how shari'a values can be applied to contemporary situations.

Stehen Humphreys

Egypt's Grand Mufti responds to Fort Hood shootings
By Dr. Ali Gomaa
Grand Mufti of Egypt

I was shocked as any sensible human being was when I learned about the senseless, appalling and cowardly act of violence in Fort Hood. This horrific attack is a complete violation of Islamic law and norms and the perpetrator is no way representative of the Muslim people or the religion of Islam. God upholds the sanctity of life as a universal principle. "and do not kill one another, for God is indeed merciful unto you" says the Quran in (4:29). Islam views murder as both a crime punishable by law in this world and as major sin punishable in the Afterlife as well. Prophet Mohammad said, "The first cases to be decided among the people on the Day of Judgment will be those of blood-shed"

The Islam that we were taught in our youth is a religion that calls for peace and mercy. The first prophetic saying that is taught to a student of Islam is "Those who show mercy are shown mercy by the All-Merciful. Show mercy to those who are on earth and the One in the heavens will show mercy to you." What we have learned about Islam has been taken from the clear, pristine, and scholarly understanding of the Qur'an, "O people we have created you from a single male and female and divided you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another." When God said "to know one another" He did not mean in order to kill one another. All religions have forbidden the killing of innocents. To kill an innocent human being is tantamount to killing the entire humanity.
Let me be clear by reiterating that Islam is utterly against extremism and terrorism but unless we understand the factors that provide a rationalization for terrorism and extremism we will never be able to eradicate this scourge. This must be understood in order to build a better future that can bring an end to this grave situation that is destroying the world.
My heart, my thoughts, and my prayers go out to the families who lost their loved ones. We offer our deepest and sincerest condolences to the families of the victims and pray for a speedy recovery of the wounded. We demand the perpetrator to be brought to justice and stand the trial.

However, it was unfortunate to see hasty responses and reactions which immediately jumped on Islam within minutes of the first news reports of the incident. Blaming an entire religion because of the acts of this not-well man is patently unfair and serves no purpose.

It is important for us at this time of great sadness to stand together and process this horrific incident in a way that is fair and reasonable. It is important that we do not demonize Muslims without cause not because it is good for Muslims, but because our future ability to coexist in peace depends on it.

Dr. Ali Gomaa is Grand Mufti of Egypt.

that was awesome.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by [SWC

Erik Thorsen ]
Ok so... unless that was an ironic joke you've just said in essence exactly the same thing I did, but somehow I'm a small minded bigot and you're not...

No, you tried to portray this guy as a "devout muslim" when his actions prior to this speak otherwise. Whereas abortion clinic firebombers are most indeed "conservative devout christian".

In fairness someone could firebomb an abortion clinic for reasons other then being christian. Just like this guy could have carried out this attack for reasons other then being muslim

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by [SWC

Erik Thorsen ]
Ok so... unless that was an ironic joke you've just said in essence exactly the same thing I did, but somehow I'm a small minded bigot and you're not...

No, you tried to portray this guy as a "devout muslim" when his actions prior to this speak otherwise. Whereas abortion clinic firebombers are most indeed "conservative devout christian". But what makes you doubt that I wouldn't be mad if a religious nutjob firebombed a clinic? What makes you think I am not mad about this? I just don't automatically apply terrorist because of his last name and religious background, and we aren't informed enough to make any type of judgement otherwise. Until there is proof, he is a murderer, just like the whakcjob abortion clinic pipebombers not quite a terrorist.

Were the 9/11 hijackers devout muslims? Because some of them went to strip clubs too.

I'm sorry but this is all totally insignificant. All the evidence strongly suggests he was a Muslim and carried this attack out for that reason. The best evidence being his shouting to Allah as he started shooting. Its weird to me that the idea that he had some vices makes it seem to you that he wasn't a devout Muslim. I grew up in a very strict Christian family, and even though I tried to follow the Bible, I was always "sinning." He most likely was addicted to the strip club, and it was probably very embarrassing for him, so he went to one where no one knew him.