Arrest at Walmart leads to charges of racism

**deathgodusmc** · 11-19-09, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

Social norms, in the lower poverty areas are a diminishing factor. Strong willed students can succeed, strong willed students who make good decisions in their lives can succeed. Strong willed students who come home to drunk/high/abusive parents can succeed. Strong willed students who don’t pay attention, have no common sense, are oblivious to their surroundings will fail….
It is common knowledge that being born of poverty puts you in a different social class from the start. You can’t even begin to argue that. You go to school you get made fun of because you can’t afford new clothes every year.(among many other things) You have been setup for failure, But is there anyone to blame?
Looking back at the roots of our unstructured society, 80 years ago you have slaves. 70 years ago you still have segregation, 60 years ago you still have avid diversity, 50 years ago you couldn’t find good work, 40 years ago you can now start having some of the comforts, 30 years ago you can actually make something of yourself, 20 years ago we start having the worst gang population ever, 10 years ago the gangs keep growing, and today you ask what the fuck happened.
While there is no real answer there must be a key piece to this puzzle.
Lets look at this from a logical standpoint. How many people in this community have grown up in poverty and have done something with their lives. How many people in this community can really relate to coming home to lazy parents who cared only about getting their fix and in this family there was no time for A is for apple Johnny, B is for Bear Timmy. You want to find someone to blame ……. Blame the fucking parents …. The parents who are to fucking stupid to understand the consequence of their actions, blame their parents for not teaching them responsibility. How long does the blame game go on? Generation after generation after generation……. Until…… You all know..
That’s right goes right back to the time when blacks were not considered human beings. Back to the roots of our society where our ancestors felt as though they don’t qualify, they don’t matter, they don’t have emotions, they don’t feel pain. Who is to blame? In steps the NAACP… who think they can solve this problem by “Enforcing” equal rights. Well guess what. Equal rights will happen without, people will learn, people will grow up…. Eventually things will work out.
I can say right now though the NAACP and the KKK have accomplished nothing. Blacks still don’t have equal rights, and KKK has slaughtered many. We want to fix these problems we need to start at the beginning. Stop looking to the future for answers when our original problems lie in the past. You want to fix something, you want to become successful, you want to live the “American dream”. (This statement is generalized to all Americans) …………..Then turn off the fucking TV, don’t reduce your life to drugs, don’t dress and act like the idiots you see on TV, you want to “express yourself” do it in a productive manner, make some friends, enjoy life……. If everyone were to start with a mentality relating to a rational social norm… The gangs will eventually kill themselves off, drugs will not be the biggest problem, and the countless murders based on the way you dress/color of your skin will cease.. It starts with guidance… But from where..

Well put.

**Bubbasam** · 11-19-09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by w4jchosen

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byCG-eGYgyo

Holy crap..........LOL

Bet she bought her video camera at wal-mart to shoot this piece of "art".

lol
yup

She forgot "WIPE" before flush

**Hitch** · 11-19-09, 08:22 PM

...I was born a poor black child.

Hitch

**rock_lobster** · 11-19-09, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Originally Posted by Warprosper

Social norms, in the lower poverty areas are a diminishing factor. Strong willed students can succeed, strong willed students who make good decisions in their lives can succeed. Strong willed students who come home to drunk/high/abusive parents can succeed. Strong willed students who don’t pay attention, have no common sense, are oblivious to their surroundings will fail….
It is common knowledge that being born of poverty puts you in a different social class from the start. You can’t even begin to argue that. You go to school you get made fun of because you can’t afford new clothes every year.(among many other things) You have been setup for failure, But is there anyone to blame?
Looking back at the roots of our unstructured society, 80 years ago you have slaves. 70 years ago you still have segregation, 60 years ago you still have avid diversity, 50 years ago you couldn’t find good work, 40 years ago you can now start having some of the comforts, 30 years ago you can actually make something of yourself, 20 years ago we start having the worst gang population ever, 10 years ago the gangs keep growing, and today you ask what the fuck happened.
While there is no real answer there must be a key piece to this puzzle.
Lets look at this from a logical standpoint. How many people in this community have grown up in poverty and have done something with their lives. How many people in this community can really relate to coming home to lazy parents who cared only about getting their fix and in this family there was no time for A is for apple Johnny, B is for Bear Timmy. You want to find someone to blame ……. Blame the fucking parents …. The parents who are to fucking stupid to understand the consequence of their actions, blame their parents for not teaching them responsibility. How long does the blame game go on? Generation after generation after generation……. Until…… You all know..
That’s right goes right back to the time when blacks were not considered human beings. Back to the roots of our society where our ancestors felt as though they don’t qualify, they don’t matter, they don’t have emotions, they don’t feel pain. Who is to blame? In steps the NAACP… who think they can solve this problem by “Enforcing” equal rights. Well guess what. Equal rights will happen without, people will learn, people will grow up…. Eventually things will work out.
I can say right now though the NAACP and the KKK have accomplished nothing. Blacks still don’t have equal rights, and KKK has slaughtered many. We want to fix these problems we need to start at the beginning. Stop looking to the future for answers when our original problems lie in the past. You want to fix something, you want to become successful, you want to live the “American dream”. (This statement is generalized to all Americans) …………..Then turn off the fucking TV, don’t reduce your life to drugs, don’t dress and act like the idiots you see on TV, you want to “express yourself” do it in a productive manner, make some friends, enjoy life……. If everyone were to start with a mentality relating to a rational social norm… The gangs will eventually kill themselves off, drugs will not be the biggest problem, and the countless murders based on the way you dress/color of your skin will cease.. It starts with guidance… But from where..

Well put.

That makes too much sense.....

Hitting on the last point you made ( I think ), I have a feeling that if you left everything else alone (leave parents and kids at their current level of education, common sense, etc...) and started them all off on a level playing field (same money, same education system, same average neighborhood), that the very same people who are at the bottom of the totem pole (now) would most likely wind up there, even though they were given an equal start; and the people who succeeded would make something of themselves from that same equal start. This thought of mine only furthers my issue with lazy ass parents who don't give a crap about their kids. Now is this constant for every situation? No, however I believe great parenting (or great guardianship/mentoring) plays a major role in the success of a child, regardless of starting point.

There is no way to implement this, but if I had to put my money on it, I would. (no pun intended).

**PizzaSHARK!** · 11-19-09, 11:01 PM

To Pizza. Its true that there will always be some people on the bottom and some on top. There are two facets to this. First we should strive for less variance in quality of life between the top and the bottom. Second we should address the way race plays into this. The fact that minorities are routinely on the bottom while "whites" are routinely at the top does not sit well with me.

Why? Would you feel better if the positions were reversed and the whites were the minority?

Why the fuck does race matter at all? We're all humans - it's not like by being black or yellow or white or red or brown you're some special subspecies of Homo sapiens.

There's a lot of power in keeping the pot stirred up, even (especially?) if you're on the minority side of things. It's pretty amusing that, something like two centuries later, there are still people out there trying to guilt-trip whites for the early United States' slavery.

**Warprosper** · 11-20-09, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Originally Posted by Warprosper

Social norms, in the lower poverty areas are a diminishing factor. Strong willed students can succeed, strong willed students who make good decisions in their lives can succeed. Strong willed students who come home to drunk/high/abusive parents can succeed. Strong willed students who don’t pay attention, have no common sense, are oblivious to their surroundings will fail….
It is common knowledge that being born of poverty puts you in a different social class from the start. You can’t even begin to argue that. You go to school you get made fun of because you can’t afford new clothes every year.(among many other things) You have been setup for failure, But is there anyone to blame?
Looking back at the roots of our unstructured society, 80 years ago you have slaves. 70 years ago you still have segregation, 60 years ago you still have avid diversity, 50 years ago you couldn’t find good work, 40 years ago you can now start having some of the comforts, 30 years ago you can actually make something of yourself, 20 years ago we start having the worst gang population ever, 10 years ago the gangs keep growing, and today you ask what the fuck happened.
While there is no real answer there must be a key piece to this puzzle.
Lets look at this from a logical standpoint. How many people in this community have grown up in poverty and have done something with their lives. How many people in this community can really relate to coming home to lazy parents who cared only about getting their fix and in this family there was no time for A is for apple Johnny, B is for Bear Timmy. You want to find someone to blame ……. Blame the fucking parents …. The parents who are to fucking stupid to understand the consequence of their actions, blame their parents for not teaching them responsibility. How long does the blame game go on? Generation after generation after generation……. Until…… You all know..
That’s right goes right back to the time when blacks were not considered human beings. Back to the roots of our society where our ancestors felt as though they don’t qualify, they don’t matter, they don’t have emotions, they don’t feel pain. Who is to blame? In steps the NAACP… who think they can solve this problem by “Enforcing” equal rights. Well guess what. Equal rights will happen without, people will learn, people will grow up…. Eventually things will work out.
I can say right now though the NAACP and the KKK have accomplished nothing. Blacks still don’t have equal rights, and KKK has slaughtered many. We want to fix these problems we need to start at the beginning. Stop looking to the future for answers when our original problems lie in the past. You want to fix something, you want to become successful, you want to live the “American dream”. (This statement is generalized to all Americans) …………..Then turn off the fucking TV, don’t reduce your life to drugs, don’t dress and act like the idiots you see on TV, you want to “express yourself” do it in a productive manner, make some friends, enjoy life……. If everyone were to start with a mentality relating to a rational social norm… The gangs will eventually kill themselves off, drugs will not be the biggest problem, and the countless murders based on the way you dress/color of your skin will cease.. It starts with guidance… But from where..

Well put.

That makes too much sense.....

Hitting on the last point you made ( I think ), I have a feeling that if you left everything else alone (leave parents and kids at their current level of education, common sense, etc...) and started them all off on a level playing field (same money, same education system, same average neighborhood), that the very same people who are at the bottom of the totem pole (now) would most likely wind up there, even though they were given an equal start; and the people who succeeded would make something of themselves from that same equal start. This thought of mine only furthers my issue with lazy ass parents who don't give a crap about their kids. Now is this constant for every situation? No, however I believe great parenting (or great guardianship/mentoring) plays a major role in the success of a child, regardless of starting point.

There is no way to implement this, but if I had to put my money on it, I would. (no pun intended).

Its true man... It has been tried.... It failed due to lack of guidance/good parenting/and no mentors.

Parents have to be held responsible for instilling failure in their children.

**Thorsen** · 11-20-09, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK!

To Pizza. Its true that there will always be some people on the bottom and some on top. There are two facets to this. First we should strive for less variance in quality of life between the top and the bottom. Second we should address the way race plays into this. The fact that minorities are routinely on the bottom while "whites" are routinely at the top does not sit well with me.

Why? Would you feel better if the positions were reversed and the whites were the minority?

Why the fuck does race matter at all? We're all humans - it's not like by being black or yellow or white or red or brown you're some special subspecies of Homo sapiens.

There's a lot of power in keeping the pot stirred up, even (especially?) if you're on the minority side of things. It's pretty amusing that, something like two centuries later, there are still people out there trying to guilt-trip whites for the early United States' slavery.

Again! And I really wish I didn't have to repeat myself so much. It is the contention of you and others on your side of this debate that those who live in poverty, crime, and ignorance do so out of a personal laziness, or lack of drive. Therefore, the only explanation left if you don't for some reason believe in social problems causing these issues, is pure racism. The only thing left for your side is that Black and Hispanic people are naturally lazier, or dumber and therefore can't achieve.

Its one of the reasons I made my analogy. There are SOME people who can overcome adversity through hard work. These people have extraordinary good luck usually, and combined with a powerful will they succeed. But in general, when the same situation is replayed throughout society, those with privilege will succeed more than those without.

Think of it this way. In my race analogy lets say there's a very strong hard working kid with the extra weight, and a very lazy fat kid with no weights. The fat kid could walk all slow, stop and eat some snacks and hardly try, yet he could still come out even with the other kid. Even if the other kid practically killed himself running and pushing and striving, he could still only tie with some lazy bastard. Its like a rich kid who's given a car, given a private education, allowed into a prestigious college that his parents paid for. When he's out of college (He got to live with his parents, or stay on campus) his dad hooks him up with one of his business partners or something so now he's got a high paying job. Did he have to work for it? A little, sure. Are there kids in the ghetto who tried just as hard and got no where close? Yeah, plenty.

As far as who is on top. I don't care who naturally makes it on top. All I care about is where we all start. When there are some groups of people consistently starting from a much lower position it skews the whole playing field.

**Consultant** · 11-20-09, 12:07 PM

[quote=[SWC]Erik Thorsen ]The challenge for government is to help the poor kid in the ghetto without taking away from the rich kid of priveledge. Why should the rich family not hook their son up? Continue the family status, provide for their son the very best they possibly can? As long as they didnt break any laws, IMHO, we have nothing to say about it. At all.

Now then...provide effective education for the children and parents of the poorer set and we are onto something.

The demonizing of the rich in this country is getting out of hand.

I posted the stats before but did you know there are something like 9 million Millionaires in the US and over a thousand billionaires?

There's nothing wrong with building and preserving wealth and the wealthy should not be penalized for their success because it "fee;s fair".

I know you didnt say any of that stuff and it may seem like I am putting words in your mouth but I promise that is not my intention.

**rock_lobster** · 11-20-09, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK!

To Pizza. Its true that there will always be some people on the bottom and some on top. There are two facets to this. First we should strive for less variance in quality of life between the top and the bottom. Second we should address the way race plays into this. The fact that minorities are routinely on the bottom while "whites" are routinely at the top does not sit well with me.

Why? Would you feel better if the positions were reversed and the whites were the minority?

Why the fuck does race matter at all? We're all humans - it's not like by being black or yellow or white or red or brown you're some special subspecies of Homo sapiens.

There's a lot of power in keeping the pot stirred up, even (especially?) if you're on the minority side of things. It's pretty amusing that, something like two centuries later, there are still people out there trying to guilt-trip whites for the early United States' slavery.

Race has everything to do with it. Certain races have their own unique tendencies, reasoning skills, etc... It's why we are different. For instance, how often do you see people of oriental descent on the bottom of the totem pole in this country? Not very often and it's no coencidence that they are "stereotyped" as people who overwork. That is just one example of many I can use. It's not me being racial or anyone else being racial for that matter. But what culture we come from has everything to do with how we strive to attain our goals, whether it be work 90 hours a week, or sit on our ass and have kids at age 14 and expect government assistance for the majority of our lives.

**Fovezer** · 11-20-09, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Consultant

The challenge for government is to help the poor kid in the ghetto without taking away from the rich kid of priveledge. Why should the rich family not hook their son up? Continue the family status, provide for their son the very best they possibly can? As long as they didnt break any laws, IMHO, we have nothing to say about it. At all.

Now then...provide effective education for the children and parents of the poorer set and we are onto something.

The demonizing of the rich in this country is getting out of hand.

I posted the stats before but did you know there are something like 9 million Millionaires in the US and over a thousand billionaires?

There's nothing wrong with building and preserving wealth and the wealthy should not be penalized for their success because it "fee;s fair".

I know you didnt say any of that stuff and it may seem like I am putting words in your mouth but I promise that is not my intention.

No one is demonizing the rich here. The poor are the ones getting demonized. They are being called lazy, unfocused, and inferior, among other things. Since when did standing up for the poor become demonizing the rich? My question is why are some people here so quick to defend the handful of wealthy people over the scores of poor people? If you want to believe it is fine for the wealthy to hook their kids up, that's fine, but then don't pretend that everyone has equal opportunities. The poor, and particularly minorities, have far fewer opportunities to succeed than trust fund babies, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.