Oldest Death Row inmate dies....

**Kelderos** · 02-15-10, 12:00 PM

So I expect everyone here who doesn't believe in appeal, if someday put in a situation where they were innocent but declared guilty to instead of appealing opt to be killed as soon as possible. Its always a different story when your the one being punished for something you didn't do, its easy to throw away someone elses life but never your own.

Now if the cops pull up on you and you still have blood on you after shooting all those people. Yeah you should be executed on spot after all the details are put together to make sure it wasn't "Self Defense" or something along those lines. There is a difference between blatently obvious and events that have no witnesses.

**jabberwock** · 02-15-10, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Just curious....

I also did not say that I do not believe in any appeal process. I just do not feel it should get drawn out as long as it does in many cases. It would also be interesting to truly know how many of the 139 were guilty as shit but were able to get off on technicalities.

You'd be surprised... I read the majority of the oh so brief case discriptions. Some seem quite guilty, but most: not so much. It would also be interesting to know how many truly innocent men have been executed, but knowing that is even less likely than knowing who got off.

Here's a list with the times it took for appeals to succeed http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...reed-death-row

Interesting to note that over 2/3 of the last 30 exonerations happened after at least a decade on death row. The overall average is 9.8 years, and it seems to be increasing.

For the record, I'm not morally against the death penalty. I'm morally against killing innocent people, particularly when it currently costs MORE on average (read those previous links if you like) for a death penalty sentence than it does to try someone, and keep them locked up for life. Combine that with 1 exonerated man for every 8 executions (that's a 12% known rate of error) and you end up with a practice that's pretty hard to be happy about IMO.

The only real defense for the death penalty is 'eye for an eye'.

**Rooster050** · 02-15-10, 12:43 PM

The death penalty is just as inhumane as the murder that landed the condemned man on death row. I am strongly against it.

**QuickLightning** · 02-15-10, 12:46 PM

From that site you linked...

The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate.

Inmates cost more than most TTPers combined family salaries.

**QuickLightning** · 02-15-10, 12:47 PM

What the hell are we giving them that costs an additional $90,000 per inmate? Do they each have a personal butler?

**jabberwock** · 02-15-10, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

What the hell are we giving them that costs an additional $90,000 per inmate? Do they each have a personal butler?

Is that factoring in the extra cost of appeals processes for DR inmates, the average extra cost of investigations, longer trial periods, and greater trial costs? I dunno. Didn't find that tidbit.

**Hitch** · 02-15-10, 06:20 PM

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-t...ut-truth-serum

Too bad we can't just jack the accused and the accuser(s) up on truth serum and get the info.

Hitch

**deathgodusmc** · 02-15-10, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by jabberwock

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Originally Posted by jabberwock

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Originally Posted by Anti-Squeaker

Good point. But it's still a common decency thing. Like for the firing squad, you get a last smoke and a blindfold. I agree they don't necessarily deserve it, but we're the good guys. Surely one good meal before they kick the bucket isn't too much to ask.

As a compromise I can go along with the last meal and all. Hell, if it makes people feel better then I say give them a hooker and let them smoke their drug of choice. Anything is better than paying for them to live for 15 years when they have blown their chances on living among the good.

How many death row inmates have been proven innocent years later?

Curious to know how many innocent men your ideal would've killed, or is money more important?

I would bet the number of people that got off free far exceed the number that were executed wrongly by a huge multiplier. Back to your question.... 2? maybe 3? I certainly hate it for those few but shit happens. Oh and you are damn straight that it is about the money. I am sick and fucking tired of paying the way for so many. I am also sick of being quiet about it.

Try 139 death row inmates exonerated in 26 states since 1973. Without that '15 years' virtually all of these individuals would be dead.

139 people completely innocent of any wrongdoing in the eyes of the court... There are yet more who are released from prison due to strong evidence of innocence though not fully exonerated, and another group who have had their sentences commuted for 'possible' innocence.

That's not to mention some strong evidence supporting innocence that's cropped up for many DR inmates who were already executed, but sadly, that gets nowhere past journalism, as the courts have no interest in hearing an appeal on behalf of a dead man, and attourneys obviously want to move on to living clients..

Just going by the number you say were exonerated since 73 against the number just sitting on death row as of last year ignoring those that have been executed for their crimes you get a 4.32%. Not even a dent with using just those two numbers. Sorry for the bad luck but you gotta go.

**jabberwock** · 02-15-10, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Just going by the number you say were exonerated since 73 against the number just sitting on death row as of last year ignoring those that have been executed for their crimes you get a 4.32%. Not even a dent with using just those two numbers. Sorry for the bad luck but you gotta go.

1194 executed since '76.
133 exonerated in that same time.

^ 11%

11% is a bit of a dent, and you can add on to that those released due to 'probable innocence', and maybe even those with sentences commuted.

The guys sitting on death row are getting their chance to be in that 11% that are TOTALLY innocent in court.

1 in 10 people is a dent.

As to your 4.32%, I'm not sure that number's relevant, as every man on death row has yet to fall on one side or the other of innocence/guilt, but 1 in 23 may still be worth saving.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-15-10, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by jabberwock

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Just going by the number you say were exonerated since 73 against the number just sitting on death row as of last year ignoring those that have been executed for their crimes you get a 4.32%. Not even a dent with using just those two numbers. Sorry for the bad luck but you gotta go.

1194 executed since '76.
133 exonerated in that same time.

^ 11%

11% is a bit of a dent, and you can add on to that those released due to 'probable innocence', and maybe even those with sentences commuted.

The guys sitting on death row are getting their chance to be in that 11% that are TOTALLY innocent in court.

1 in 10 people is a dent.

As to your 4.32%, I'm not sure that number's relevant, as every man on death row has yet to fall on one side or the other of innocence/guilt, but 1 in 23 may still be worth saving.

If they are sitting on deathrow then they most certainly have fallen on a side of innocent or guilt. The numbers your trying to use to come with a percentage are not correct there are 3215 inmates sitting on death row as of 2009. You say 1194 have already been executed and now 133 have been exonerated. The number before was 139. It's higher so we'll use that one.

3215 sitting on death row
1194 already executed
4509 total inmates
139 exonerated

139/4509x100= 3.08%

You had better numbers before for a debate on it.