Thread: ...People tell me eating meat is evil.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Vitamin B12 Deficiency


thats all I have to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12

the 2 or 3 micrograms a day we require is pretty easy to come by for vegetarians, as B12 is in egg and milk products. But for vegans the only way to get it is to take pills or eat enough raw ingredients that you synthesize it (we do synthesize it you know). So the danger of a B12 deficiency in most vegetarians is incredibly slim; although vegans (like this guy) might need to consider supplements.

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

The average American (and increasingly the world) consumes about twice as much protein as they need (or can really use). We can garner protein from much cheaper sources in the same quality.

same "quality"?

qualify "quality".

If efficiency is the argument, we can also say it's inefficient to pursue living forever, and shoudln't waste as much money and resources as we do on health care and lipitor. We could say it's inefficient to have a space program, and should just forget about it. Or that it's inefficient to drive cars or even trains and buses, and should rather build our cities in a manner so that everyone either works from home, or walks everywhere.

Reading books made of paper is inefficient. Should we get rid of books?

Quality: A balance of complete proteins. At least the 11 amino acids necessary for our body to synthesize the 20 we require. Also considered in protein quality is the absorption rate of whatever matrix the protein is in. Eggs are bar-none the best protein source for humans; the albumin contains all the necessary amino acids and is very readily digested and absorbed.

Qualify? Is it not important to have all 11 amino acids necessary in as digestible of a form as possible?

Meat is inefficient, as are many things you listed. What can we do without? For example: I do not own a car, I do not drive as often as possible (will rent flex-cars for special needs), I do not consume meat, I use low phosphate detergents, as many recycled products as I can, go out of my way to recycle things that you have to take to a center, etc. A little extra elbow grease on my part and no annual meat consumption means my energy footprint is probably far less than half of most Americans. That is substantial.

Originally Posted by fly351

... without meat the country would starve. There are not enough crops to support the amount of people in this country...

That is simply not true. The animals eat a huge amount of the crops. If we grew food on the land we use for grazing and did not feed the grain we grow to animals for eating there would be vast quantities leftover. One reason everything is "corn fed" is because we produce more corn than we can consume due to price flooring. This means there is an abundance of corn feed for animals.

We produce way more grain than meat, and if we only produced grain it would be vastly more.










In the end though, murder tastes delicious.

when you say of the same "quality"....you seem to think I'm asking about ingredients and nutritional information.

If eating food was as black and white, and as pointless as that, we should all have feeding tubes.

It would mean things like different kinds of music are pointless. Different kinds of art. clothing. Chicks. Movies. Architecture. .....our existence is based on variations of the same ingredients for survival.

People eat for many reasons. SOME of which are need for nutrition and health. Others of which have nothing to do with that. Vegans lose such an argument.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

my energy footprint is probably far less than half of most Americans. That is substantial.

compared to what? other americans?

Compare your footprint, even with all you do, to a majority of the worlds inhabitants....and how's your footprint?

Sure, on a personal scale, it's your business. But....efficiency that has no effect on the big picture is efficiency for the sake of vanity. Not for the greater good. And thus....is not efficiency.

It is not efficient to climb mountains and run marathons. It most certainly is not efficient to consume calories needlessly to do such things for your own personal entertainment or "health"......so....is doing such things also inefficient, and to the peril of man?

can't have it both ways.

I find it ironic that when I was reading this thread, this ad kept coming up.

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Originally Posted by DancingCorpse

I find it ironic that when I was reading this thread, this ad kept coming up.

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now that's funny.

The Colonel is always watchin'.

Originally Posted by Consultant

What about this business with "The Cove"?

Cows are mammals, so are bison, elk, deer, pigs, etc...we eat them...but some Japanese folks want to slaughter and kill some of their own mammals and it's an international incident worthy of an oscar!

What, we have a show called "Flipper" and Dolphin is on the no-no list? psh!

yeah. I actually watched whale wars, and agree with what those nutjobs are/were doing to stop the japanese.

BUT...the reality is....what is a whale? A swimming cow?

And, simply becuase western societies have decided to say that.....eating a water cow is bad, but a land cow is good.....that's the way it has to be for everyone? Eating dogs is bad....but eating cockroaches of the ocean like shrimp and lobster is good? Eating buffalo was bad...but now it's good? Bison? Elk? Moose? And somehow....because a whale is super huge...it's different than a cow on land, and thus worth fighting for, whereas cows on land can be factory farmed, and herded, and mass sacrificed for consumption, every day, in nearly every country of the planet?

Yeah.....so long as the japanese are staying within the laws....so long as they are keeping sustainability in mind.....so long as they are doing it better, and cleaner than the other guy......then I say let them eat whatever the fuck they want. Horses. Dogs. Whales. Most especially whales and dolphins, since they aren't any more mammal or special than any other mammal on the planet.

as usual...southpark was spot on in pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides, but most especially the west for judging the japs when we slaughter cows, chickens, and other animals by the hundreds of millions a year and no one even thinks about it.

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

Originally Posted by Consultant

What about this business with "The Cove"?

Cows are mammals, so are bison, elk, deer, pigs, etc...we eat them...but some Japanese folks want to slaughter and kill some of their own mammals and it's an international incident worthy of an oscar!

What, we have a show called "Flipper" and Dolphin is on the no-no list? psh!

yeah. I actually watched whale wars, and agree with what those nutjobs are/were doing to stop the japanese.

BUT...the reality is....what is a whale? A swimming cow?

And, simply becuase western societies have decided to say that.....eating a water cow is bad, but a land cow is good.....that's the way it has to be for everyone? Eating dogs is bad....but eating cockroaches of the ocean like shrimp and lobster is good? Eating buffalo was bad...but now it's good? Bison? Elk? Moose? And somehow....because a whale is super huge...it's different than a cow on land, and thus worth fighting for, whereas cows on land can be factory farmed, and herded, and mass sacrificed for consumption, every day, in nearly every country of the planet?

Yeah.....so long as the japanese are staying within the laws....so long as they are keeping sustainability in mind.....so long as they are doing it better, and cleaner than the other guy......then I say let them eat whatever the fuck they want. Horses. Dogs. Whales. Most especially whales and dolphins, since they aren't any more mammal or special than any other mammal on the planet.

as usual...southpark was spot on in pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides, but most especially the west for judging the japs when we slaughter cows, chickens, and other animals by the hundreds of millions a year and no one even thinks about it.

keep it up and you will convince some its ok to eat people

well this sure has been entertaining between rounds of SnD for me on MW2.